Help with balancing a chemical equation algebraically

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The discussion revolves around balancing a chemical equation algebraically, specifically the reaction between sulfuric acid (H2SO4) and sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3). Participants explore various methods to assign coefficients to the reactants and products to achieve a balanced equation, addressing issues related to integral values and algebraic errors.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) sets up equations based on the conservation of atoms for each element involved in the reaction.
  • The OP assigns a value of 12 to 'a' and derives coefficients for the other variables, but finds the equation unbalanced.
  • Some participants suggest that if 'y' is found to be 1.5, the OP should double the coefficients to maintain balance.
  • Another participant proposes using a different value for 'a', such as 30, to introduce a new factor into the equations.
  • One participant identifies a potential error in the OP's equation for hydrogen, suggesting it should be 2a + b = 2z instead of 2a + 2b = 2z.
  • The OP acknowledges a typo in their calculations, which contributed to the confusion in balancing the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the approach to balancing the equation, with some suggesting alternative values for 'a' and others pointing out potential errors in the OP's setup. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct coefficients to achieve a balanced equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the OP's initial assumption of using 12 for 'a' may not have been appropriate, and the discussion highlights the importance of correctly setting up the equations based on the number of atoms for each element.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying chemistry, particularly those learning about balancing chemical equations and algebraic methods in chemical reactions.

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Homework Statement



(a)H2SO4 + (b)NaHCO3 -> (x)Na2SO4 + (y)CO2 + (z)H2O

I gave each element it`s own equation:
(1) For hydrogen – 2a + b = 2z
(2) For sulphur – a = x
(3) For oxygen – 4a + 3b = 4x + 2y + z
(4) For sodium – b = 2x

I then assigned a number to letter 'a'. My book says to begin with the number 12 because it is the most conventionally used.

I began with equation (2) since it had the least amount of variables and proceeded in this fashion.

a = 12

(2)
a = x
x = 12

(4)
b = 2x
b = 2(12)
b = 24

(1)
2a + 2b = 2z
2(12) + 2(24) = 2z
24 + 48 = 2z
72 = 2z
z = 36

(3)
4a + 3b = 4x + 2y + z
4(12) + 3(24) = 4(12) + 2y + 36
48 + 72 = 48 + 2y + 36
120 = 84 + 2y
36 = 2y
y = 18


I then divided each of the values by a common divider, in this case '6' in order to get the lowest possible coefficient. I ended up with:
a = 2
b = 4
x = 2
y = 3
z = 6

When I add these to my original formula, it is not balanced:
(2)H2SO4 + (4)NaHCO3 -> (2)Na2SO4 + (3)CO2 + (6)H2O

I also tried dividing by 12, 4 and 2 and I am still left with an unbalanced formula.

The book says that when this happens, I must instead assign the value of 1 to 'a', I did this and got the following results:

a = 1

(2)
a = x
x = 1

(4)
b = 2x
b = 2(1)
b = 2

(1)
2a + 2b = 2z
2(1) + 2(2) = 2z
2 + 4 = 2z
6 = 2z
z = 3

(3)
4a + 3b = 4x + 2y + z
4(1) + 3(2) = 4(1) + 2y + 3
4 + 6 = 4 + 2y + 3
10 = 7 + 2y
3 = 2y
y = 1.5



As you can see, 'y' is left at 1.5 which is not a whole number and therefore unacceptable. Can someone please tell me what I am missing?
 
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So if you got y as 1.5 then why don't you go back and double your other numbers to keep the balance and have integral values...
 
If I double those numbers, I will end up with the original a = 2, b = 4, x = 2, y = 3, z = 6 which would keep my formula unbalanced.
 
try picking a=30 ie 2*3*5 in other words w're adding in a new factor

Actually it seems a=2 would work too which means that the 12 should have worked fine.

Your mistake is in the 2a + 2b = 2z equation where it should have been a b instead of 2b

In the words of Shakespeare 2b or not 2b that is the question.
 
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I'm curious: what course is this for?
 
jedishrfu said:
try picking a=30 ie 2*3*5 in other words w're adding in a new factor

Actually it seems a=2 would work too which means that the 12 should have worked fine.

Your mistake is in the 2a + 2b = 2z equation where it should have been a b instead of 2b

In the words of Shakespeare 2b or not 2b that is the question.

I have 2a + b = 2z in that equation. 2a is referring to 2 hydrogen atoms in the first compound of the reaction which I have labeled 'a' and 'b' (literally '1b') is for the single hydrogen atom in the second compound of the reaction. 2z is of course the 2 hydrogen atoms in the last compound of the product.
 
v3ra said:
I have 2a + b = 2z in that equation. 2a is referring to 2 hydrogen atoms in the first compound of the reaction which I have labeled 'a' and 'b' (literally '1b') is for the single hydrogen atom in the second compound of the reaction. 2z is of course the 2 hydrogen atoms in the last compound of the product.

Here's your work from the original post:

Code:
(1) 
2a + 2b = 2z
2(12) + 2(24) = 2z
24 + 48 = 2z
72 = 2z
z = 36

It should be 2a+b=2z right? and hence z=24
 
Ah, yes. This headache was the result of a typo..
 

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