Help with MTW Exercise 6.9 - Yes/No Answer

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to a coupled system of three differential equations, specifically focusing on the number of variables involved and the implications for solving the system. The context includes technical mathematical reasoning rather than a focus on relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a simple yes or no answer regarding the problem presented.
  • Another participant clarifies that the equations involve six variables, consisting of three variables and their derivatives, which may complicate the solution process.
  • There is a suggestion to move the discussion to a technical math section due to the nature of the problem.
  • Some participants question the presence of both variables t and tau, suggesting that only one may be necessary.
  • One participant asserts that the equations correctly include both t and tau, indicating that this is acceptable due to a relationship involving gamma.
  • A suggestion is made to use specific combinations of variables to reformulate the equations, which could facilitate finding solutions.
  • Another participant points out potential inconsistencies in the notation used within the equations.
  • One participant expresses that the clarification regarding the number of variables was sufficient for their needs and requests no further discussion on their behalf.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of both variables t and tau, and there is no consensus on the best approach to solving the system of equations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal method for addressing the problem.

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There are unresolved questions about the assumptions regarding the variables and the notation used in the equations, which may affect the clarity of the problem and its solution.

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Can anyone help with the attached problem. A simple yes or no answer only is required, but if you want to point me in a particular direction...
 

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The three equations in the attachment represent a coupled system of three differential equations. There are not three variables - there are six, the three variables and the three derivatives of these variables.

Since the question is more about solving a system of differential equations, and less about relativity, I am moving the thread to the technical math section.
 
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Mark44 said:
The three equations in the attachment represent a coupled system of three differential equations. There are not three variables - there are six, the three variables and the three derivatives of these variables.

Since the question is more about solving a system of differential equations, and less about relativity, I am moving the thread to the technical math section.
I think you have answered my question. Thanks
 
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You have both t and tau. Did you mean to write only 1 variable?
 
dextercioby said:
You have both t and tau. Did you mean to write only 1 variable?
I noticed that as well. My guess is that it should be one of them, not both.
 
The equations are correct and do include both t and tau, but this works out OK because dt/d(tau) = gamma

Don't bother to spend any more time on this - the message is clear that I have six variables and only three equations so I have to 'take a guess' at what the solutions may be.TerryW
 
I looked at this problem, and I suggest turning the S's into these combinations: S0, (S1*cos(ω*t)+S2*sin(ω*t)), (-S1*sin(ω*t)+S2*cos(ω*t)), or reversed signs for sin(ω*t) if necessary. You will find three differential equations for them. Since the coefficients are constant, you can easily make them vary as exp(λ*τ), where you must find λ.
 
You switched symbols in the middle of the equations. Are we to assume that "S1" is the same as "S1", etc.?
 
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In this case, S1 = η11S1.

As I said in my reply to Dextercioby and Mark44, the answer telling me that I have 6 variable was all I needed, so please don't worry about this any further on my behalf.RegardsTerryW
 

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