Hermitian Function Proof: Correcting a Mistake

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a Hermitian function defined on a vector space, specifically focusing on the proof of a given equation related to this function. Participants explore the definitions and properties of Hermitian and sesquilinear forms in the context of complex vector spaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant identifies a potential mistake in the proof of the equation involving the Hermitian function.
  • Another participant provides a detailed calculation that leads to the conclusion that the expression equals zero, suggesting a misunderstanding of the function's properties.
  • Some participants propose that the term "Hermitian function" might actually refer to a sesquilinear form, which is antilinear in the second coordinate.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the definitions of Hermitian and sesquilinear forms, with emphasis on the additional constraint for Hermitian functions.
  • There is a confirmation of the relationship between Hermitian and sesquilinear forms in the context of bilinear maps over complex fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of Hermitian functions versus sesquilinear forms, indicating that the discussion remains somewhat unresolved regarding the definitions and implications of these terms.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the definitions of Hermitian and sesquilinear forms may depend on specific contexts, particularly in relation to bilinear maps over complex fields. The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of the functions involved that are not fully resolved.

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This discussion may be useful for students and researchers interested in the properties of Hermitian and sesquilinear forms, particularly in the context of complex vector spaces and bilinear maps.

Sudharaka
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Hi everyone, :)

Here's a problem I encountered. I think there's a mistake in this problem.

Problem:

Let \(f:\,V\times V\rightarrow\mathbb{C}\) be a Hermitian function (a Bilinear Hermitian map), \(q:\, V\rightarrow\mathbb{C}\) be given by \(q(v)=f(v,\,v)\). Prove that following,

\[4f(x,\,y)=q(x+y)-q(x-y)+iq(x+iy)-iq(x-iy)\]

When I find the answer I get,

\[q(x+y)-q(x-y)+iq(x+iy)-iq(x-iy)=0\]

I would be really grateful if someone can confirm my answer. :)
 
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Sudharaka, here's what I tried:

$$
q(x+y) - q(x-y) +i q(x+iy) -i q(x-iy)
$$

$$
= f(x+y,x+y) - f(x-y,x-y) +if(x+iy, x+iy) - if(x-iy, x-iy)
$$

$$
= f(x,x) + f(x,y) + f(y,x) + f(y,y) - (f(x,x) - f(y,x) - f(x,y ) +f(y,y)) +i(f(x,x) + if(y,x) + if(x,y) + i^2 f(y,y)) -i(f(x,x) -if(y,x) -if(x,y) -i^2f(y,y))
$$

$$
= f(x,y) + f(y,x) + f(x,y) + f(y,x) - f(x,y) - f(y,x) - f(x,y) - f(y,x) = 0.
$$

I searched a bit in Wikipedia and found Sesquilinear forms. If we use this instead, meaning that the function $f$ is antilinear in the second coordinate, we'd get this on the third line instead:

$$
= f(x,x) + f(x,y) + f(y,x) + f(y,y) - (f(x,x) - f(y,x) - f(x,y) +f(y,y)) +i(f(x,x) + if(y,x) - if(x,y) - i^2 f(y,y)) -i(f(x,x) -if(y,x) +if(x,y) -i^2f(y,y))
$$

$$=f(x,y) +f(y,x) +f(y,x) +f(x,y) -f(y,x) +f(x,y) -f(y,x) +f(x,y) = 4f(x,y).$$

Just as asked. Possibly what he meant as Hermitian function is really the Sesquilinear?
 
Fantini said:
Possibly what he meant as Hermitian function is really the Sesquilinear?
In the context of a vector space over the complex numbers, Hermitian always means sesquilinear.
 
Fantini said:
Sudharaka, here's what I tried:

$$
q(x+y) - q(x-y) +i q(x+iy) -i q(x-iy)
$$

$$
= f(x+y,x+y) - f(x-y,x-y) +if(x+iy, x+iy) - if(x-iy, x-iy)
$$

$$
= f(x,x) + f(x,y) + f(y,x) + f(y,y) - (f(x,x) - f(y,x) - f(x,y ) +f(y,y)) +i(f(x,x) + if(y,x) + if(x,y) + i^2 f(y,y)) -i(f(x,x) -if(y,x) -if(x,y) -i^2f(y,y))
$$

$$
= f(x,y) + f(y,x) + f(x,y) + f(y,x) - f(x,y) - f(y,x) - f(x,y) - f(y,x) = 0.
$$

I searched a bit in Wikipedia and found Sesquilinear forms. If we use this instead, meaning that the function $f$ is antilinear in the second coordinate, we'd get this on the third line instead:

$$
= f(x,x) + f(x,y) + f(y,x) + f(y,y) - (f(x,x) - f(y,x) - f(x,y) +f(y,y)) +i(f(x,x) + if(y,x) - if(x,y) - i^2 f(y,y)) -i(f(x,x) -if(y,x) +if(x,y) -i^2f(y,y))
$$

$$=f(x,y) +f(y,x) +f(y,x) +f(x,y) -f(y,x) +f(x,y) -f(y,x) +f(x,y) = 4f(x,y).$$

Just as asked. Possibly what he meant as Hermitian function is really the Sesquilinear?

Opalg said:
In the context of a vector space over the complex numbers, Hermitian always means sesquilinear.

Thanks very much for the reply. I am learning more from MHB than I learn in class. :p

So to confirm, in the case of bilinear maps over complex fields, Hermitian is the same as sesquilinear with the additional constraint, \(f(v,\,u)=\overline{f(u,\,v)}\) for all \(u,\,v\in V\). Am I correct? :)
 
Sudharaka said:
So to confirm, in the case of bilinear maps over complex fields, Hermitian is the same as sesquilinear with the additional constraint, \(f(v,\,u)=\overline{f(u,\,v)}\) for all \(u,\,v\in V\). Am I correct? :)
Yes. :)
 
Opalg said:
Yes. :)

Thanks very much, now I understand this perfectly. :)
 

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