Herstein, Topics in Algebra, page 58

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The discussion centers on a potential error in the text of Herstein's 'Topics in Algebra', specifically on page 58, regarding the mapping of elements in a cyclic group and the implications of conjugation by a formal symbol. Participants explore the definitions and relationships between elements in the group, raising questions about the correctness of the author's notation and intent.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the expression \(x^{-1}a^ix = \phi(a)^i = a^{3i}\), noting a discrepancy when \(i = 1\) where \(\phi(a)\) should equal \(a^2\) instead of \(a^3\).
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the identity of \(x\) in the expression, suggesting that it cannot be any member of \(G\) without leading to contradictions, and questions whether \(a\) refers to any member of \(G\) or specifically a generator.
  • A later reply provides context, specifying that \(G\) is a cyclic group of order 7 and describes the elements of \(G\), while also defining \(x\) as a formal symbol.
  • Some participants propose that the expression might be a typo, suggesting it should read \(a^{2i}\) instead of \(a^{3i}\), although they acknowledge the difficulty in verifying this without access to the text.
  • One participant asserts that the typo is confirmed in the second edition, indicating that the corrected expression is \(x^{-1}a^ix = \phi(a^i) = a^{2i}\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the original text contains a typo, with some suggesting it is indeed a mistake while others remain uncertain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the correctness of the original expression or the implications of the definitions provided.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their understanding due to the lack of access to the text, which affects their ability to verify claims and clarify definitions. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific definitions of group elements and operations.

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I have the second printing of the first edition of Herstein's 'Topics in Algebra', published 1964.

On page 58 near the middle of the page there is a paragraph that begins:

Let G be a cyclic group ...

The author writes
\phi:a^i \rightarrow a^{2i}

and later

x^{-1}a^ix = \phi(a)^i = a^{3i}

The next paragraph makes it clear that he means:
x^{-1}a^ix = \phi^i(a) = a^{3i}

But it doesn't seem true to me. for instance if i = 1, then no matter how I write it, I get:
\phi(a) = a^3

but by the definition of phi,
\phi(a) = a^2

What gives?
 
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What is x in x^{-1}a^ix = \phi(a)^i = a^{3i}? Surely it can't be just any member of G because then we would have a= a3.

And what is a? Any member of G or specifically a generator of G?
 
HallsofIvy said:
What is x in x^{-1}a^ix = \phi(a)^i = a^{3i}? Surely it can't be just any member of G because then we would have a= a3.

And what is a? Any member of G or specifically a generator of G?
Sorry, I didn't put enough information for anyone that doesn't have a copy of the book. G is a cyclic group of order 7, a is an element of G, so that G = \{e = a^0, a^1, a^2, a^3, a^4, a^5, a^6\}. x is a formal symbol. The author intends to describe the group of order 21 made of formal symbols x^ia^j, i = 0, 1, 2 j = 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
 
I think it's a typo and should be a^{2i} instead. Unfortunately I don't have my copy of Herstein on me right now to verify this. Maybe you could post a bit more of that page?

His intent is clear though: he's trying to define the semidirect product of G and X={1, x, x^2}, with X viewed as the cyclic group of order 3, where conjugation by x acts as \phi on G.
 
morphism said:
I think it's a typo and should be a^{2i} instead. Unfortunately I don't have my copy of Herstein on me right now to verify this. Maybe you could post a bit more of that page?

His intent is clear though: he's trying to define the semidirect product of G and X={1, x, x^2}, with X viewed as the cyclic group of order 3, where conjugation by x acts as \phi on G.
Perhaps. However, he gives a specific example of multiplication in the larger group.
x^1a^1 \cdot x^1a^2 = x^1(a^1x^1)a^2 = x^1(x^1a^3)a^2 = x^2a^5
That's taking a typo pretty far, but I suppose it's possible he lost track half way through the paragraph.
 
It was a typo in the 1st edition.
The corrected expression is on pg 69 of the 2nd edition:

x^{-1}a^ix = \\phi(a^i) = a^{2i}
 
With formatting...
<br /> x^{-1}a^ix = \phi(a^i) = a^{2i}<br />
 

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