Hexagonal Craters: Airless Worlds & Moons Explored

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The discussion revolves around the occurrence of hexagonal craters on airless rocky worlds and moons, exploring the reasons behind their shapes and the implications of such formations. Participants share observations, propose explanations, and question existing theories related to impact cratering and geological processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note the prevalence of hexagonal and polygonal craters on various celestial bodies, including the Moon, Mercury, and Ceres.
  • One participant suggests that the shape of hexagonal craters may result from the deflection of impact-generated pressure waves along a regional fracture system.
  • Another participant questions the validity of existing explanations for hexagonal craters, citing a lack of consensus on the mechanisms involved.
  • There is mention of two proposed mechanisms for polygonal craters: one related to the excavation flow tearing the target along pre-existing fractures, and another during the modification stage involving slumping along fractures.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the existence of hexagonal fault patterns on Earth and the applicability of laboratory evidence to support claims about hexagonal craters.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of conducting laboratory tests to replicate the conditions necessary for creating hexagonal craters, with some suggesting alternative methods like using large explosions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons for the formation of hexagonal craters, with multiple competing views and uncertainties remaining throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the limitations of existing explanations, noting the absence of lab demonstrations for creating hexagonal craters and the challenges in replicating impact conditions accurately.

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Hexagonal craters. Why?
On airless rocky worlds, why are so many craters hexagons? There are even some pentagons. I see them on the Moon, Mercury, Ceres, Mars, Mimas... It's quiker to note the airless worlds that don't have have hexagon craters.
This one is Ceres.
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We can use this thread as an image repository for hexagonal craters.
 
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>How many?
You've mistaken me for a member of the ESA 10 year long solar system crater survey team. Very flattering, in return I'll mistake you for a fellow member: How many round craters are there in the solar system?>Check this for brief explanation:
a rather vague arm wave at possile explanations.

i've fished out the explanation for you:
"The regional surface/subsurface fracture system deflected the impact generated pressure waves along the tectonic network, causing the linear sides we see in the image."

So is that the consensus reason for hexagonal craters in the solar system?
the impact crater link doesn't mention hexagon or any polygon shaped craters so its not useful.
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Mimas with its large hexagon crater 'Herschel'
 
Well I don't see the green marked one as hexagonal but a semicircle with two flat side. The brown bottom left one is a polygon of at least ten sides. So even the two of us can't agree on the shape of some craters on the picture in post #3.
On the picture on post #4 I also don't see the big crater as hexagonal, it is somewhat a complex shape. It's also a complex crater:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_crater

GregM said:
You've mistaken me for a member of the ESA 10 year long solar system crater survey team. Very flattering, in return I'll mistake u for a fellow member: How many round craters are there in the solar system?
According to various sources (like this one) most of the craters are circular, so I guess the hexagonal ones are a minority.

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i've fished out the explanation for you:
"The regional surface/subsurface fracture system deflected the impact generated pressure waves along the tectonic network, causing the linear sides we see in the image."
Yes that is the link I found for you and I don't see any problem with this explanation of why a polygonial crater can form. What other search have you done?
 
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>I don't see the green marked one as hexagonal but a semicircle with two flat side.
Perhaps we've got a case of 'I don't think the heart is on the left side of the body'. It took centuries for experts to overturn their preconception that the human heart was in the centre of the chest, even when the evidence was routinely before their eyes, their hands, and their scalpels.
If i was more techy I would get a computer pattern recognision to analyse the photos of craters to get an objective assessment rather than by eye.

> most of the craters are circular, so I guess the hexagonal ones are a minority.
Correct. But there's enough hexagonal and polygonal craters to prompt investigation.

> I don't see any problem with this explanation of why a polygonial crater can form
The basis of modern understanding is the scientific method; I've yet to see lab demostration/test of creation of a hexagonal / polygonal crater by impact. You are ok with this?

Hexagon crater on Mercury
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There seems to be a pattern of about 4 sides being well defined as an equilateral hexagon, then 1 or 2 sides being poorly defined.
 
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Geographic hexagonal fracture lines. I think this lot played too much Civilization 5. Looking at the Earth's geography and geology, hexagonal fault patterns don't exist.
I don't see any lab model evidence.
Callisto's South Pole
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GregM said:
The basis of modern understanding is the scientific method; I've yet to see lab demostration/test of creation of a hexagonal / polygonal crater by impact. You are ok with this?
I seem to remember that the size of crystals formed depends a lot on the timescale involved; the slower the bigger.
During the formation of a planet/oid there must be a big variety of distances from a star or bigger planet which could, in some instances, produce very big crystalline forms. These could be revealed by impacts. Would such lab tests to check this be easy / possible to carry out? It sounds like an expensive idea.
 
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GregM said:
The basis of modern understanding is the scientific method; I've yet to see lab demostration/test of creation of a hexagonal / polygonal crater by impact. You are ok with this?

GregM said:
I don't see any lab model evidence.
Hard to build labs that are several kilometers across and in depth that can withstand the impact of a multi-hundred-meter-sized impactor traveling at several kilometers per second.* That's probably the only way you'll get the right scale of size, energy, and depth to do a proper test.

*I guess we could cordon off a section of the surface somewhere for a test, but corralling a meteor is harder than herding cats and a fair bit more destructive to the surrounding environment.

GregM said:
Looking at the Earth's geography and geology, hexagonal fault patterns don't exist.
And yet the researchers disagree with you since they cite it as a possible cause. Well, they cite "fractures or other planes of weakness", not faults, but I'm unsure of the technical distinction between the two or if you really meant to use two different terms. In any case, I doubt these are truly hexagonal since that would imply a singular fracture. More likely the regions of weakness are simply oriented at different angles to each other, and we are simply seeing the ones that happen to end up vaguely shaped like a polygon as 'special' and singling them out.
 
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*I guess we could cordon off a section of the surface somewhere for a test, but corralling a meteor is harder than herding cats and a fair bit more destructive to the surrounding environment.
It's not essential for lab tests to confirm all theories (eg Black Holes do't appear in the lab); all that's necessary is for suitable evidence to be found. But I wasn't suggesting playing with meteors; just suitable lumps of satellite stuff that are no longer useful in their orbits. However, Kinetic Energy being what it is, the velocities available from re-entering garbage would probably not be enough.
But we have already 'explained' to ourselves that the momentum is not relevant so why not just use a massive explosion?
 
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But we have already 'explained' to ourselves that the momentum is not relevant so why not just use a massive explosion?
There are probably quite a few nuclear blast craters left over from all the tests. Perhaps we could use them?
 
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Drakkith said:
There are probably quite a few nuclear blast craters left over from all the tests. Perhaps we could use them?

My second favorite nuclear cratering experiment

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Before anyone gets too excited about the shape, it is from 5 detonations.
 
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