History of Word Pronunciation: Once, Vacuum & More

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The discussion revolves around the historical pronunciation of certain English words, such as "once," "knew," and "vacuum." Participants explore the origins and phonetic changes of these words, touching on aspects of etymology and linguistic evolution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the pronunciation of "once," suggesting it should not contain a "W" sound.
  • Another participant provides a detailed etymological explanation of "vacuum," noting its Latin origins and various pronunciations, including casual forms.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about the inclusion of the "k" in "knowledgeable," with a participant expressing confusion over its significance.
  • A participant explains that the "k" was historically pronounced in early English, linking it to related words in Scottish and German, and mentions other words where pronunciation has evolved, such as "knife" and "though."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the pronunciation of specific words and the historical reasons behind these pronunciations. There is no consensus on the significance of certain phonetic elements, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Some claims depend on historical linguistic knowledge and may require further research to clarify the evolution of pronunciation and spelling in English.

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How did words get there pronounciation, example, once, is not W,once,
knew is not K,new, why is vacuum, not vacume, or vakume?
 
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vacuum is a proper third declension Latin noun, stem vacu- nominative singular ending -um. Nominative plural ending -a, hence vacua; dative singular ending -o, hence in vacuo. A reification of the adverb vacuus -a -um meaning empty. In school Latin pronunciation it would be vock-ooo-oom, more casually vack-yoo-um, but vowel glides like that are notoriously elidable, so vack-yoom.
 
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Thankyou SA, but why is the (k) ie in knowledgeable added to the word,
it seems to have no meaning?
 
wolram said:
Thankyou SA, but why is the (k) ie in knowledgeable added to the word,
it seems to have no meaning?


The k used to be pronounced when the word was part of early English (aka Anglo-Saxon). Compare know with Scottish ken and German kennen. The k- I can explain quickly, but the -ow I will have to research. Likewise knife (it was spelled cnif and pronounced k'niff). -ough in so many words was pronounced to rhyme with Scotish loch.
 

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