Hodgin-Huxley model for a single neuron

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The discussion revolves around the Hodgkin-Huxley model for a single neuron, focusing on its mathematical and biological interpretations. Participants explore questions related to the model's parameters and their implications, as well as the relationship between the mathematical formulation and biological mechanisms.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in connecting biological concepts to mathematical formulations within the Hodgkin-Huxley model.
  • Another participant questions the correctness of the course's answer regarding the maximal conductance, suggesting that the model is more phenomenological than mechanistic.
  • A participant provides a detailed explanation of the relationship between current, conductance, and potential difference, emphasizing the role of channel conformation in determining conductance.
  • There is a mention of the terms in the model (rn1, sn2, ro, so) and their roles in channel activation and inactivation, with a focus on the time constants associated with these processes.
  • One participant acknowledges the need to consider the equations as phenomenological models rather than strictly mechanistic, referencing a review on the limitations of the Hodgkin-Huxley model.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the Hodgkin-Huxley model, particularly regarding the nature of its parameters and the validity of the course's answers. There is no clear consensus on the correctness of the answers provided in the course material.

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Participants highlight the limitations of the Hodgkin-Huxley model in terms of its mechanistic interpretations and the assumptions underlying its equations, indicating that the model may not fully capture the complexities of channel kinetics.

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I am viewing (through https://www.edx.org/course ) an introduction course to computational neuroscience. In the second lecture, the Hodgin-Huxley model is considered. I am going over some of the questions and have encountered a problem with one of them (a picture of the exercise is attached below). I have a strong background in mathematics, but my background in biology is yet very poor. I am having a hard time connecting the biology to the math. Can anyone help with this question:

http://www.upf.co.il/preview/930650464/ea89d08e9d2bec2a0ddbefc1c860d757.html
http://www.upf.co.il/preview/730918148/54449c4d3938eb4de89a02a072d8159e.html

Thank you!
 

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Are you asking why the correct answer is that gion is the maximal conductance?
 
My problem is that I don't know how to even start this question..
The formal answer of the course is that all the answers are correct except number 2.
My original answer was that 1,5,7 are correct.
But, basically, I have a problem understanding what considerations I should use..
http://www.upf.co.il/preview/146130318/61dd63a379862f86de55863ed4935eb7.html
 

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I wouldn't worry about it too much. I don't think the answer is necessarily correct, but it is conventional. The form of a Hodgkin-Huxley type model is certainly guessed based on having a plausible mechanistic interpretation. However, with respect to the actual channel mechanisms, they should primarily be thought of as phenomenological models or "good curve fits" rather than mechanistic models.

But let me explain the reasoning behind the formal answer of the course. The form of the equation is:

current = conductance * (potential difference from reversal potential).

The reversal potential is the thermodynamic equilibrium potential so it is the potential at which no net current flows. So we know that current flow must be some function of the potential difference from the reversal potential, and we guess that the function is linear for each conformation of the channel. The channel conformation determines the conductance.

The conductance (g * rn1 * sn2) is determined by the channel conformation. The terms rn1 and sn2 vary between 0 and 1, so they are fractions, and g is the maximal conductance. The terms ro and so determine what r and s will tend to. When the membrane potential is increased, the curves how that ro increases towards 1 and so will decrease towards 0. So r will tend to open the channel, which is why it represents activation, and s will tend to close the channel which is why it represents inactivation. The time constant for r must be shorter than the time constant for s if the channel is to open before it closes (or more technically is inactivated).

(It's really a question of physical chemistry, since the form is motivated by thermodynamics and common mathematical forms for chemical kinetics.)
 
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I see.. will think about it a little further.
Thank you for your detailed answer and for the link!
 

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