Holographic Principle and the Description of Higher Dimensional Universes

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The discussion revolves around the holographic principle and its implications for understanding higher-dimensional universes, particularly in relation to gravity and quantum mechanics. Participants explore the validity of the holographic concept, its philosophical implications, and its potential connections to black hole entropy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that recent research may reinstate the holographic principle, which had previously been considered ruled out.
  • One participant questions the basis for believing that holography has been ruled out, seeking clarification on this impression.
  • Another participant references an article that presents a contrasting view on the holographic universe, indicating that interpretations can vary significantly.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of describing a 3D object as a 2D matrix, with one participant arguing that this does not imply our 3D perception is incorrect.
  • There is a suggestion that the relationship between black hole entropy and surface area supports the idea that a 2D description may be more fundamental.
  • A participant expresses skepticism about ruling out possibilities when answers are unknown, using an analogy about showing pictures of a safari before it occurs.
  • Discussion includes the challenge of representing higher-dimensional worlds with limited information, questioning the precision of such representations under the holographic principle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the validity and implications of the holographic principle, with no consensus reached on its status or interpretation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the implications of dimensionality and information representation, as well as the philosophical ramifications of the holographic principle.

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I thought that the holographic idea had been ruled out, But this article shows that it could be ruled in again.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/03/170321110344.htm

And this new research has implications for some fundamental problems in physics. So far, the study of gravity has largely defied efforts to bring it under the umbrella of quantum mechanics, but theorists continue to look for connections. "Our classical theory of gravity relies on knowing exactly the shape or geometry of space-time," Del Maestro says, but quantum mechanics requires uncertainty about this shape. A piece of the bridge between these may be formed by this new study's contribution to the "holographic principle": the exotic contention that the entire 3-D universe might be understood as two-dimensional information -- whether a gargantuan black hole or microscopic puddle of superfluid helium.
 
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What gave you the impression that holography has been ruled out?
 
What I personally dislike about the hologram universe idea. is that while it certainly possible to describe a 3D object as a 2D matrix,
that does not lead to the conclusion that our 3D perception is somehow wrong.
You can describe any world you like really in just one dimension. as a series of binary bits.
 
^doesn't the whole black hole entropy growing with surface area thing suggest the 2d description is somehow more fundamental?
 
When you don't know the answer, nothing can be 'ruled out'. That's like showing pictures of your safari before you go. That would be a nice trick.
 
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rootone said:
You can describe any world you like really in just one dimension. as a series of binary bits.

Even with an infinite number of bits, how could you describe a world with an infinite numbers of dimensions? You would only have 1 bit for each dimension.

Let's say you can represent a 2D universe to some precision, possibly infinite. Isn't the point of the holographic principle that, with the same amount of information, you will have less precision in describing a 3D geometry?
 

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