How are the two Alligator species so far apart?

  • Thread starter Thread starter twistedspark
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the evolutionary history and geographical separation of the two extant species of alligators, which are found in the United States and China. Participants explore the implications of continental drift, extinction events, and ecological factors influencing the distribution of these species over millions of years.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the two alligator species exist exclusively in the US and China, questioning how they could have evolved on the supercontinent Pangea and ended up so far apart.
  • Another participant suggests that the ancestors of modern alligators were different and that extinction events, including the demise of dinosaurs, could explain the current distribution of alligators.
  • A postulation is made regarding a correlation between alligator populations and the distribution of wetlands and swamps, specifically mentioning Florida, Louisiana, and the Yangtze River.
  • Participants discuss the impact of historical events, such as glaciation and mass extinctions, on the survival and evolution of alligator species.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the evolutionary history and distribution of alligators, but no consensus is reached on the specific mechanisms or reasons for their separation.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference significant time scales and historical events, but the discussion lacks detailed exploration of the assumptions underlying their claims, such as the specific extinction mechanisms or the ecological requirements of alligator species.

twistedspark
Messages
22
Reaction score
0
In my understanding, the only two extant species of Alligators exist exclusively in the US and China. *Nowhere else.
They are said to have existed for 200 million years, but Pangea broke up 250 M years ago.
Just for the sake of argument, say they had evolved on Pangea and just got separated; the lands that are now China and America were on opposing ends of the super continent. They lived on opposite ends and nowhere in between?
The Pacific ocean in now smaller than it was then and there's no way I can see a group of them crossing such a massive span of water. Not today. No way then.
I've tried finding an answer on Google without success.
Do any of the geniuses here have an answer I can fathom?

P.S. - why does this site fill in asterisks whenever I try to put a space? Is grammar a dirty word here?
 
Biology news on Phys.org
Consider: a creature spreads out across an entire continent, but the ones in the middle all die out. You end up with examples of the creature in only a few, widely separated, places.

220M years ago - the ancestors of the modern alligator were quite different from their current shape.
http://www.all-about-reptiles.com/barbarenasuchus.html

You are talking about a very long time, so you need to consider modern crocodiles, caimans, and gavials as well. Also remember that the dinosaurs all died out during that time... these pre-crocodilians also suffered heavy number loss. Also the last glaciation maximum was 18000 years ago. So, overall, it is hardly surprising that these creatures, and many others, exist in pockets here and there.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Consider: a creature spreads out across an entire continent, but the ones in the middle all die out. You end up with examples of the creature in only a few, widely separated, places.

leading to the question: why did they die out?

I postulate a correlation between allie populations and worldwide distribution of wetlands/swamps (Florida/Louisiana, Yangtze River).
 
DaveC426913 said:
leading to the question: why did they die out?
A good theory should lead to more questions :)

Considering there was an ice-age and whatever took-out the dinosaurs in the time period concerned, we can take our pic for extinction mechanisms. The wonder is that any survived at all. Whatever was left evolved in place to modern crocodilians.

I postulate a correlation between allie populations and worldwide distribution of wetlands/swamps (Florida/Louisiana, Yangtze River).
Yep - look at how those locations compare with the extent of glaciation too.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 33 ·
2
Replies
33
Views
19K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
10K
  • · Replies 59 ·
2
Replies
59
Views
12K
  • · Replies 39 ·
2
Replies
39
Views
7K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
4K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
4K