How can i find out the density of 5M NaOH

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The discussion centers on determining the density of a 5M NaOH solution, exploring various methods and considerations involved in the calculation. Participants discuss theoretical approaches, practical measurements, and reference values from literature.

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  • One participant asks how to find the density of a 5M NaOH solution.
  • Another suggests that density is a mass-to-volume ratio and implies that practical laboratory experience is essential for learning this concept.
  • Several participants propose calculating the density by determining the moles of NaOH in a liter, the mass of NaOH, and adding it to the mass of water, noting that this method provides only an approximate density.
  • One participant critiques the approximation method, citing significant errors in density estimates for other solutions and advocating for the use of density tables from handbooks for accurate values.
  • A practical suggestion is made to conduct a weighing trial to measure the density directly, while cautioning about potential issues with glassware due to the caustic nature of NaOH.
  • A specific density value of 1.182 g/mL at 25°C is provided from Sigma Aldrich, along with a calculation that illustrates the potential error when assuming no volume change upon mixing.

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Participants express differing views on the best method to determine the density, with some advocating for theoretical calculations and others emphasizing the importance of empirical measurements. No consensus is reached on a definitive approach.

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Participants note that approximations in density calculations can lead to significant errors, and the discussion highlights the complexity of converting between molarity and weight/weight percentages, which may require iterative methods or reference tables.

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how can i find out the density of 5M NaOH
 
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If you are in a course, you will learn this. Chemistry is a laboratory course. Density is a ratio of mass to volume. Do you have a 5 M solution of NaOH?

Otherwise, look in a handbook.
 


Work out how many moles of NaOH in a litre,
Work out the mass of 1 mole of NaOH, add to the mass of 1litre of water.
Thats the density (approximately - doesn't take into account the volume of the added NaOH)
 


mgb_phys said:
Work out how many moles of NaOH in a litre,
Work out the mass of 1 mole of NaOH, add to the mass of 1litre of water.
Thats the density (approximately - doesn't take into account the volume of the added NaOH)

In general - this is wrong. With such approximations you never know what the error is - and it can be everything. For ammonia you will estimate that 5M solution is around 1.085 g/mL, while in reality it is 0.963 g/mL. For sulfuric acid your estimate will be 1.49 g/mL - compare it to the real value of 1.29 g/mL. That means -11% and +16% errors.

The only correct approach is to use density tables from some handbook, like CRC handbook for example. There are short density tables on my site. Note, that in many hanbooks density tables contain only densities of solutions of given % w/w concentration, so you have to convert between M and %. That's not a simple one step operation, as to convert you have to know density first. So, you either do it iteratively (assume some density, convert, check new density in tables, use it to convert and so on, depending on the accuracy you need one or two iterations will be most likely enough) or you prepare M vs density table (that makes sense if you will be doing conversions often) or you look for some concentration calculator with built in density tables, that does conversion for you automatically :wink:
 


microbus65 said:
how can i find out the density of 5M NaOH

I would suggest a simple weighing trial however the basic solution may scratch the glassware ; simply measure out a certain volume of the solution and then weigh it however be sure to tare the measuring apparatus.
 


It is 1.182 g/mL at 25oC according to Sigma Aldrich.

Let's see what the error would be assuming no DV of mixing.

The density of solid NaOH is 1.829 (according to Wiki). We need 5*40.00 g for 5 moles which will be diluted with sufficient water to form 1 L. Assuming no DV of mixing, we will add 200.0 g or 109.4 mL (200.0 g/1.829 g/cm^3) to 890.6 mL of water (1000 mL - 109.4mL). This will give us the 1L we need and will weigh 1090.6 g for a density of 1.091. The relative percent mixing error is 100* (1.091 g/mL - 1.182 g/mL) / 1.182 g/mL = -7.699%

That's a little too much error for my liking.
 

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