How much NaOH I have to add to increase pH?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the amount of NaOH needed to increase the pH of two solutions of 5M H2SO4 through specified pH increments. The focus is on the theoretical and practical aspects of acid-base neutralization, particularly considering the diprotic nature of sulfuric acid and the implications for pH changes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for calculating the volume of NaOH needed to achieve specific pH levels, initially assuming a single proton dissociation from H2SO4.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of considering the diprotic nature of sulfuric acid and the proximity of pKa2 to pH 2 when making calculations.
  • A later reply questions the necessity of reaching pH 7, noting that the pH of pure water is 7 and suggesting that the participant clarify their overall goal with the acid.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential confusion in the calculations due to the properties of sulfuric acid and the behavior of NaOH solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the approach to calculating the required NaOH volume, particularly regarding the treatment of sulfuric acid as diprotic. There is no consensus on the best method for achieving the desired pH levels.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need for clarity on the practical objectives behind the pH adjustments, as well as the potential impact of environmental factors on pH, such as CO2 absorption affecting the pH of deionized water.

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How much NaOH I have to add?
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Hi everyone, I'm stuck in solving this problem. I have two solution of H2SO4 5M that needs two consequential pH increasing: the first from the natural pH of H2SO4 5M (around zero) to pH 2 and then from pH 2 to pH 7. The second solution from the natural pH of H2SO4 5M to pH 2 and then from pH 2 to pH 11. I would like to understand how can I calculate the volume of NaOH (let's say 5M) I have to add for each step.
at the beginning, to calculate the Volume from pH 0 to 2 I was considering this formula:

[H3O+](after adding NaOH)=(V(H2SO4)×[H2SO4](initial)−V(NaOH)added×[NaOH])/V(H2SO4)+V(NaOH)added

But somebody told me this calculation is wrong because I have to consider that H2SO4 is diprotic.

The value I used are:
[H3O+](after adding NaOH)= 10^-2
V(H2SO4)= 1L
[H2SO4](initial)= 5 M

Thank you !
 
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You should take into account not only fact the acid is diprotic, but also - especially around pH 2 - that pKa2 is close to 2.

I don't see any difference between the first and the second solution.
 
Yes sorry..a typo. Now it's correct. Thank you, I'm going to try!
 
You want to get your solution to pH7? The pH of pure water is 7, you wouldn't start with sulphuric acid. That is the pH of freshly deionised water is 7, if you leave it standing around without preventing it, it will absorb CO2 from the air and decrease to about 4.5. Also 0.001 M NaOH should be pH 11 - what do you need the sulphuric acid for?

When we get this sort of question from someone sounding rather unfamiliar we can really only help (maybe) if they tell us the practical thing they are trying to achieve or overall problem to solve.
 
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