How Can I Solve This Differential Equation for Y?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation for the variable Y, given a relationship involving constants and a function X of time t. Participants explore both analytical and numerical approaches to find a solution, while addressing the nature of the equation and the dependencies on the function X.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the differential equation and seeks a solution for Y, noting that X is a function of t.
  • Another participant argues that the equation is not a partial differential equation since it only involves differentiation with respect to t, and suggests rewriting it for clarity.
  • Some participants express that if X(t) were known, solving for Y would be straightforward, but they acknowledge that the lack of information about X complicates the situation.
  • A participant proposes an integral form for Y based on the equation derived from the previous discussions.
  • Another participant emphasizes that two unknown functions and one equation are insufficient for a unique solution, suggesting the need for additional equations.
  • A later reply introduces a second relation for Y involving a known function O, which could help in substituting back into the earlier equation to isolate X(t).
  • There is a light-hearted comment regarding the naming of variables in calculus, suggesting that "d" may not be the best choice for a constant in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the challenges posed by the unknown function X(t) and the need for additional information or equations. However, there are competing views on how to approach the solution, with some advocating for integration and others suggesting the necessity of more equations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of the current setup, particularly the dependence on the unknown function X(t) and the implications of having only one equation for two unknowns.

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I have the following differential equation

[itex]\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\left(\frac{a}{X}\right)+\frac{X}{b}\frac{ \partial Y}{\partial t}+\frac{c}{X}=0[/itex]

where [itex]a[/itex], [itex]b[/itex] and [itex]c[/itex] are constants and [itex]X[/itex] is a function of
[itex]t[/itex]. I want to solve it for [itex]Y[/itex] analytically (if possible) or numerically.
 
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First, that's not really a partial differential equation because the only differentiation is with respect to the single variable, t. If X(t) is a known function of t, then [itex]\partial/\partial ta/X[/itex] is also a known function of t- call it X'(t). Then your equation can be written
[tex]\frac{X}{b}\frac{dY}{dt}= -X'- C/X[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dY}{dt}= (-X'- C/X)\frac{b}{X}= -\frac{X'X- C}{X^2}[/tex]
and you solve for Y by integrating.b
 
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If X(t) is a known function of t I would solve it easily. Unfortunately this is not the case.
 
Then all you can do is write
[tex]Y(t)= -\int\frac{XX'- C}{X^2}dt[/tex]
 
JulieK said:
If X(t) is a known function of t I would solve it easily. Unfortunately this is not the case.

Two unknown functions and one equation only is not enough. You need two equations.
 
Many thanks to you all!

To close the gap, I obtained a second relation

[itex]Y=\frac{d}{O}\left(X^{1/2}-O^{1/2}\right)[/itex]


where [itex]d[/itex] is a constant and [itex]O[/itex] is a known function of [itex]t[/itex] with
a closed analytical form.
 
HallsofIvy said:
First, that's not really a partial differential equation because the only differentiation is with respect to the single variable, t. If X(t) is a known function of t, then [itex]\partial/\partial ta/X[/itex] is also a known function of t- call it X'(t). Then your equation can be written
[tex]\frac{X}{b}\frac{dY}{dt}= -X'- C/X[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dY}{dt}= (-X'- C/X)\frac{b}{X}= -\frac{X'X- C}{X^2}[/tex]
and you solve for Y by integrating.b

I would be inclined to call ##\frac{d}{dt}(a/X(t))## something other than ##X'(t)##, which could be confused with ##dX/dt##. :-p
 
JulieK said:
Many thanks to you all!

To close the gap, I obtained a second relation

[itex]Y=\frac{d}{O}\left(X^{1/2}-O^{1/2}\right)[/itex]where [itex]d[/itex] is a constant and [itex]O[/itex] is a known function of [itex]t[/itex] with
a closed analytical form.
Take the derivative w.r.t. t, then you can substitute for [itex]\frac{dY}{dt}[/itex] in HallsofIvy's equation in Post #2. Now you have a differential equation in just one unknown function, X(t).

p.s. "d" is not the best name for a quantity in anything having to do with calculus :smile:
 

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