How Can I Write an Operator in the Coupled and Uncoupled Basis?

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The discussion revolves around writing operators for a system of two identical particles (specifically electrons) in both the coupled and uncoupled bases, focusing on total angular momentum and its components. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and provide examples, while seeking clarification on specific terms and concepts.

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  • One participant states that the total operator is the sum of the operators acting on each particle, providing a formula for the total angular momentum operator.
  • Another participant elaborates on the calculation of the total angular momentum squared, suggesting a method to rewrite the operator in terms of individual particle operators and identity matrices.
  • A later reply introduces the total angular momentum operator in terms of both orbital and spin angular momentum, indicating a more complex structure in the uncoupled basis.
  • Several participants seek clarification on specific terms such as the identity matrices used in the calculations, and the transition from 2x2 to 4x4 matrices when considering two particles.
  • One participant explains that the dimensionality of the matrices increases with the number of particles and their states, noting that identical particles can reduce dimensionality due to antisymmetry.
  • Questions arise regarding the choice of unitary matrices in the calculations, with participants expressing a need for deeper understanding of the underlying principles.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical framework for writing operators in both bases, but there is ongoing clarification and exploration of specific details and concepts, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved in certain areas.

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Participants express uncertainty about specific terms and the implications of using identity matrices, as well as the transition between matrix sizes. The discussion highlights dependencies on definitions and the complexity introduced by considering both spin and orbital angular momentum.

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Given a system of two identical particles (let's say electrons), of (max) spin 1/2 (which means the magnetic quantum number of each of the electrons can be either 1/2 or -1/2), how can we write the operators (total angular momentum, z-component of the total angular momentum etc.) (a) in the uncoupled basis and (b) in the uncoupled basis?

Please be specific and give numerical examples.

First, my problem is that I don't know how to write an operator in either the coupled or the uncoupled basis, and I really searched the internet and a few well-known quantum mechanics books (e.g. Griffiths). Please help.
 
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It doesn't matter if your two particles are identical or not, your total operator is the sum of the operators acting on each particle:
$$\vec{L}_{tot}=\vec{L}_1+\vec{L}_2$$

The square of this is:

$$\vec{L}^2_{tot}=\vec{L}^2_1+\vec{L}^2_2+2\vec{L}_1 \cdot \vec{L}_2$$

One way to calculate the matrix elements is to rewrite

$$\vec{L}^2_{tot}=\vec{L}^2_1 I_2+I_1\vec{L}^2_2+2\vec{L}_1 \cdot \vec{L}_2$$

Now consider the first term [itex]\vec{L}^2_1 I_2[/itex]. First write the matrix element acting on the 1st particle:

$$\begin{pmatrix}3\hbar^2/4 & 0 \\
0 &3\hbar^2/4 \end{pmatrix}$$

Them multiply each element of that matrix with the matrix element acting on the 2nd particle:

$$\begin{pmatrix}3\hbar^2/4 \begin{pmatrix}1 & 0 \\ 0&1\end{pmatrix} & 0 \begin{pmatrix}1 & 0 \\ 0&1\end{pmatrix} \\
0\begin{pmatrix}1 & 0 \\ 0&1\end{pmatrix} &3\hbar^2/4\begin{pmatrix}1 & 0 \\ 0&1\end{pmatrix} \end{pmatrix}=
\begin{pmatrix}3\hbar^2/4 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 3\hbar^2/4 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 3\hbar^2/4 & 0 \\
0 &0&0& 3\hbar^2/4
\end{pmatrix}
$$

Do this for each of the terms, and add them all up.
 
addendum: I didn't read your question carefully. For the total angular momentum operator, you'd write:

$$\vec{J}_{tot}^2=(\vec{L_1}+\vec{S_1}+\vec{L_2}+\vec{S_2})^2$$

Expand it out. Then you'd do the same thing, except you'll have 4 nested matrices instead of 2. The basis would be the uncoupled basis.
 
Hi geoduck and thank you very much for taking the time to explain.

Could you explain what ## I_2 ## stands for? (and also what is ## I_1 ## )

Also, I did not understand how you start from 2 X 2 matrices and end up with 4 X 4 matrices, as well as *why* do you need to do this. Could you explain in more detail?
 
Also, what is the reason behind using the unitary matrix and not some other matrix in your calculation above?

Again, sorry if this seem like a dumb question but I really need to understand.
 
If you only consider spin and you have a single electron, it can be described by |+> or |->. Therefore a matrix operating on these states is 2x2. If you have two electrons, you need to specify the state of the first electron and the state of the second electron, so you need 4 vectors: |++>, |+->, |-+>, and |-->. A matrix operating on these states would then be 4x4. If you include orbital angular momentum of the first and second particles also, you'd have states |l1 m1s1l2 m2 s2>. So your matrices keep on getting larger.

The fact that the electrons are identical can reduce the dimensionality because you only need the action of the operator on antisymmetric states.

I1 and I2 are the identity operators on particle 1, and particle 2, respectively.
 
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