How Can Tensors Be Evaluated to Scalars?

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The discussion centers around the evaluation of tensors to scalars, exploring the mathematical nature of tensors, their representation, and the process of contraction. Participants examine whether there exists a general rule for evaluating tensors to yield real numbers, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe tensors as multidimensional arrays that transform in specific ways, while others emphasize that tensors are functions with domains of multidimensional arrays and ranges of real numbers.
  • One participant asserts that not all functions can be represented as a single real number unless under specific conditions, suggesting that the evaluation depends on the arguments provided.
  • There is a discussion about the assignment of real numbers to tensor expressions, with some participants noting that a real number can be assigned to specific tensor contractions but not to the tensor itself without additional context.
  • Another participant confirms that the only method to obtain a scalar from a tensor is through contraction, either with itself or with other tensors, ensuring that all indices are accounted for.
  • Participants mention that the components of a tensor can be interpreted as contractions with basis vectors and covectors in a given reference frame.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the general rule for evaluating tensors to scalars. There are competing views regarding the nature of tensors and the conditions under which they can yield real numbers.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of tensors and the unresolved nature of how to universally evaluate tensors to scalars across different contexts.

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Many descriptions of tensors define them to be these kind of multidimensional arrays of numbers, as generalizations of vectors and matrices, that transform in a certain way. But, mathematically, tensors are functions whose domains are these multidimensional arrays and whose codomains/ranges are the real numbers.

My question: Is there a general rule to evaluate any tensor, to determine the real number that is assigned to it? Perhaps by successive contractions, until it becomes a scalar?

Thanks in advance.
 
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No. You cannot represent any function as a single real number (unless the domain is a single point or the function is a constant). The number depends on the arguments.
 
LarryS said:
the real number that is assigned to it?
I am not sure what you mean by this. There is a real number assigned to ##T^{\mu\nu…}a_\mu b_\nu …## but there is no number assigned to ##T^{\mu\nu…}##
 
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Dale said:
I am not sure what you mean by this. There is a real number assigned to ##T^{\mu\nu…}a_\mu b_\nu …## but there is no number assigned to ##T^{\mu\nu…}##
I think I see where you are going. I probably need to read/study this subject a little further.
 
LarryS said:
Perhaps by successive contractions, until it becomes a scalar?
That is the only way to get a scalar from a tensor, yes: by contracting it, either with itself or with appropriate other tensors, so that there are no free indexes left and you have a scalar.

What are usually called the "components" of a tensor can be viewed as contractions of that tensor with appropriate combinations of basis vectors and covectors of a particular reference frame.
 
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