How can the polynomial $L_n(x)$ be used to solve the equation Laguerre?

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The discussion revolves around the Laguerre differential equation $xy''+(1-x)y'+ay=0$ and the use of the Laguerre polynomial $L_n(x)$ to demonstrate that it satisfies this equation for specific values of $a$. Participants explore the differentiation of the polynomial and the implications of substituting $L_n$ into the equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the Laguerre equation and proposes that $L_n$ satisfies it for $a=n$ by substituting $L_n$ into the equation.
  • Another participant questions the differentiation steps taken, suggesting that an $e^x$ term was omitted in the differentiation process.
  • Several participants engage in clarifying the differentiation of $L_n$, with some proposing corrections to ensure the $e^x$ factor is included in the derivatives.
  • A later reply introduces the idea of using operator notation to simplify the proof that $L_n$ satisfies the Laguerre equation, referencing a paper by V. Radulescu that provides a method involving operators.
  • Participants discuss the complexity of proving that $L_n$ is a solution to the Laguerre equation, noting that it involves several intermediate steps and algebraic calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correctness of the differentiation steps or the substitution process. Multiple viewpoints exist regarding the proper handling of the $e^x$ factor and the overall approach to demonstrating that $L_n$ satisfies the Laguerre equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the differentiation process and the implications of their calculations. The discussion highlights the need for careful handling of terms and the potential complexity involved in proving the relationship between $L_n$ and the Laguerre equation.

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Hello! (Wave)

The differential equation $xy''+(1-x)y'+ay=0, a \in \mathbb{R}$, that is called equation Laguerre, is given.

Let $L_n$ be the polynomial $L_n(x)=e^x \frac{d^n}{dx^n} (x^n \cdot e^{-x})$ (show that it is a polynomial), $n=1,2,3, \dots$. Show that $L_n$ satisfies the equation Laguerre if $a=n(n=1,2, \dots)$.

So we have to substitute $L_n$ in the differential equation and see that it is only satisfied for $a=n$, right? )Do we differentiate the Leguerre polynomial as follows?
$$$$
$$\frac{d}{dx} L_n(x)=e^x \frac{d^n}{dx^n} (x^n e^{-x})+\frac{d^{n+1}}{dx^{n+1}}(x^n e^{-x})$$

$$\frac{d^2}{dx^2} L_n(x)=e^x \frac{d^n}{dx^n} (x^n e^{-x})+ e^{x} \frac{d^{n+1}}{dx^{n+1}}(x^n e^{-x})+\frac{d^{n+2}}{dx^{n+2}}(x^n e^{-x})$$Or have I done something wrong? :confused:
 
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Hey! (Smile)

I believe you have dropped an $e^x$. (Worried)
 
I like Serena said:
Hey! (Smile)

I believe you have dropped an $e^x$. (Worried)

At which point? (Thinking)
 
evinda said:
At which point? (Thinking)

$\d {}x (e^x f(x))= e^xf(x) + e^xf'(x)$ (Sweating)
 
Oh yes, right... So it is as follows, right? (Thinking)
$$\frac{d}{dx} L_n(x)=e^x \frac{d^n}{dx^n} (x^n e^{-x})+e^x \frac{d^{n+1}}{dx^{n+1}}(x^n e^{-x})$$

$$\frac{d^2}{dx^2} L_n(x)=e^x \frac{d^n}{dx^n} (x^n e^{-x})+ e^{x} \frac{d^{n+1}}{dx^{n+1}}(x^n e^{-x})+e^x \frac{d^{n+1}}{dx^{n+1}}(x^n e^{-x})+e^x \frac{d^{n+2}}{dx^{n+2}}(x^n e^{-x})=e^x \frac{d^n}{dx^n} (x^n e^{-x})+ 2e^{x} \frac{d^{n+1}}{dx^{n+1}}(x^n e^{-x})+e^x \frac{d^{n+2}}{dx^{n+2}}(x^n e^{-x})$$

Substituting $L_n$ at the equation I got the following:

$xy''+(1-x)y'+ay=0 \\ \Rightarrow x e^x \frac{d^{n+1}}{dx^{n+1}}(x^n e^{-x})+x e^x \frac{d^{n+2}}{dx^{n+2}}(x^n e^{-x})+(a+1) e^x \frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^n e^{-x})=0 $

Is it right or have I done something wrong? (Worried)

If it is right, how could we show that $L_n$ satisfies the equation Laguerre if $a=n(n=1,2, \dots)$? (Thinking)
 
evinda said:
Substituting $L_n$ at the equation I got the following:
$xy''+(1-x)y'+ay=0 \\ \Rightarrow x e^x \frac{d^{n+1}}{dx^{n+1}}(x^n e^{-x})+x e^x \frac{d^{n+2}}{dx^{n+2}}(x^n e^{-x})+(a+1) e^x \frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^n e^{-x})=0 $

Is it right or have I done something wrong? (Worried)

I think you've dropped an $e^x$ in the term with the (n+1)th derivative. (Thinking)
If it is right, how could we show that $L_n$ satisfies the equation Laguerre if $a=n(n=1,2, \dots)$? (Thinking)

How about making the derivatives the same?
That is, differentiate once respectively twice where applicable? (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
I think you've dropped an $e^x$ in the term with the (n+1)th derivative. (Thinking)

It should be as follows, right? (Thinking)

$$xe^x \frac{d^{n+1}}{dx^{n+1}}(x^n e^{-x})+e^x \frac{d^{n+1}}{dx^{n+1}}(x^n e^{-x})+(a+1)e^x \frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^n e^{-x})+x e^x \frac{d^{n+2}}{dx^{n+2}}(x^n e^{-x})=0$$

I like Serena said:
How about making the derivatives the same?
That is, differentiate once respectively twice where applicable? (Wondering)

I haven't understood it... Could you explain it further to me? (Thinking)
 
evinda said:
It should be as follows, right? (Thinking)

$$xe^x \frac{d^{n+1}}{dx^{n+1}}(x^n e^{-x})+e^x \frac{d^{n+1}}{dx^{n+1}}(x^n e^{-x})+(a+1)e^x \frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^n e^{-x})+x e^x \frac{d^{n+2}}{dx^{n+2}}(x^n e^{-x})=0$$

Yep. (Nod)
I haven't understood it... Could you explain it further to me? (Thinking)

$$\d {} x \left(\frac {d^n} {dx^n} f(x)\right) = \frac {d^{n+1}} {dx^{n+1}} f(x) = \frac {d^n}{dx^n}\left( \d {} x f(x)\right) = \frac {d^n}{dx^n}f'(x)$$
(Wasntme)
 
I like Serena said:
$$\d {} x \left(\frac {d^n} {dx^n} f(x)\right) = \frac {d^{n+1}} {dx^{n+1}} f(x) = \frac {d^n}{dx^n}\left( \d {} x f(x)\right) = \frac {d^n}{dx^n}f'(x)$$
(Wasntme)
You mean that we have to write it like that? (Thinking)

$$x e^x \frac{d^n}{dx^n} \left( nx^ne^{-x}-x^ne^{-x} \right)+e^x \frac{d^n}{dx^n} \left( n x^{n-1}e^{-x}-x^n e^{-x} \right)+(a+1) e^x \frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^n e^{-x})+x e^x \frac{d^n}{dx^n} \left( n(n-1) x^{n-2} e^{-x}-n x^{n-1} e^{-x}- n x^{n-1} e^{-x}+x^n e^{-x}\right)=0$$
 
  • #10
evinda said:
The differential equation $xy''+(1-x)y'+ay=0, a \in \mathbb{R}$, that is called equation Laguerre, is given.

Let $L_n$ be the polynomial $L_n(x)=e^x \frac{d^n}{dx^n} (x^n \cdot e^{-x})$ (show that it is a polynomial), $n=1,2,3, \dots$. Show that $L_n$ satisfies the equation Laguerre if $a=n(n=1,2, \dots)$.
There does not seem to be any easy way to show that the Rodrigues polynomial $L_n(x)$ satisfies the Laguerre equation with $a=n$. I came across the paper Rodrigues-type formulae for Hermite and Laguerre polynomials by V. Radulescu, which has an ingenious proof of this result. For me, this is a particularly attractive method because it uses the machinery of operators to simplify the algebraic calculations. (Operators, algebra, Opalg, get the connection?)

For a differentiable function $y$, let $D$ denote the operation of differentiation, let $M$ denote the operation of multiplication by $x$, and let $I$ denote the identity operator. So $D(y) = \frac{dy}{dx}$, $M(y) = xy$ and $I(y) = y.$ Using this notation, the product rule for differentiation, $\frac d{dx}(xy) = x\frac{dy}{dx} + y$, becomes $DM(y) = MD(y) + I(y)$, which we can write as $DM = MD + I$.

Laguerre's equation $xy''+(1-x)y'+ny=0$ becomes $MD^2(y) + (I-M)Dy + nI(y) = 0$, or more simply $MD^2 + (I-M)D + nI = 0$. Using the relation $DM = MD + I$, you can re-write that as $(D-I)MD = -nI.$

We want to show that a solution to that equation is the function $L_n(x) = e^x \frac{d^n}{dx^n} (x^n \cdot e^{-x}) = e^xD^nM^n(e^{-x})$. The first step in the solution is to show that $L_n(x) = (D-I)^nM^n(y_0)$, where $y_0$ is the constant function $1$. This is done by using induction on $n$ to show the more general result $e^xD^nM^k(e^{-x}) = (D-I)^nM^k(y_0)$ for any positive integer $k$.

So the aim is to show that if $y_n = (D-I)^nM^n(y_0)$, then $(D-I)MD(y_n) = -ny_n,$ in other words $y_n$ is an eigenfunction for the operator $S = (D-I)MD$, corresponding to the eigenvalue $-n.$

That result is still not easy to prove. There are several intermediate steps, some of which are just algebraic calculations, while others have to be proved by induction. They are

$(1)\qquad (D-I)^nM - M(D-I)^n = n(D-I)^{n-1},$

$(2)\qquad (D-I)^{n+1}M^{n+1} = \bigl((D-I)M + nI\bigr)(D-I)^nM^n,$

$(3)\qquad S(D-I)M - (D-I)MS = S - (D-I)M \quad (\text{where }S = (D-I)MD),$

and finally

$(4)\qquad S(D-I)^nM^n(y_0) = -n(D-I)^nM^n(y_0).$

Details of all these calculations are in Radulescu's paper. The key idea throughout is to use the product rule $DM = MD + I$ in order to shift $M$s past $D$s.
 
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Opalg said:
There does not seem to be any easy way to show that the Rodrigues polynomial $L_n(x)$ satisfies the Laguerre equation with $a=n$. I came across the paper Rodrigues-type formulae for Hermite and Laguerre polynomials by V. Radulescu, which has an ingenious proof of this result. For me, this is a particularly attractive method because it uses the machinery of operators to simplify the algebraic calculations. (Operators, algebra, Opalg, get the connection?)

For a differentiable function $y$, let $D$ denote the operation of differentiation, let $M$ denote the operation of multiplication by $x$, and let $I$ denote the identity operator. So $D(y) = \frac{dy}{dx}$, $M(y) = xy$ and $I(y) = y.$ Using this notation, the product rule for differentiation, $\frac d{dx}(xy) = x\frac{dy}{dx} + y$, becomes $DM(y) = MD(y) + I(y)$, which we can write as $DM = MD + I$.

Laguerre's equation $xy''+(1-x)y'+ny=0$ becomes $MD^2(y) + (I-M)Dy + nI(y) = 0$, or more simply $MD^2 + (I-M)D + nI = 0$. Using the relation $DM = MD + I$, you can re-write that as $(D-I)MD = -nI.$

We want to show that a solution to that equation is the function $L_n(x) = e^x \frac{d^n}{dx^n} (x^n \cdot e^{-x}) = e^xD^nM^n(e^{-x})$. The first step in the solution is to show that $L_n(x) = (D-I)^nM^n(y_0)$, where $y_0$ is the constant function $1$. This is done by using induction on $n$ to show the more general result $e^xD^nM^k(e^{-x}) = (D-I)^nM^k(y_0)$ for any positive integer $k$.

So the aim is to show that if $y_n = (D-I)^nM^n(y_0)$, then $(D-I)MD(y_n) = -ny_n,$ in other words $y_n$ is an eigenfunction for the operator $S = (D-I)MD$, corresponding to the eigenvalue $-n.$

That result is still not easy to prove. There are several intermediate steps, some of which are just algebraic calculations, while others have to be proved by induction. They are

$(1)\qquad (D-I)^nM - M(D-I)^n = n(D-I)^{n-1},$

$(2)\qquad (D-I)^{n+1}M^{n+1} = \bigl((D-I)M + nI\bigr)(D-I)^nM^n,$

$(3)\qquad S(D-I)M - (D-I)MS = S - (D-I)M \quad (\text{where }S = (D-I)MD),$

and finally

$(4)\qquad S(D-I)^nM^n(y_0) = -n(D-I)^nM^n(y_0).$

Details of all these calculations are in Radulescu's paper. The key idea throughout is to use the product rule $DM = MD + I$ in order to shift $M$s past $D$s.

Interesting... (Thinking)

Do you maybe have also an idea of an other way or is it the only one? (Thinking)
 
  • #12
evinda said:
Do you maybe have also an idea of an other way or is it the only one? (Thinking)
There is a closed form for the polynomial $L_n(x)$, namely $$L_n(x) = \sum_{k=0}^n (-1)^k(n-k)!{\textstyle {n\choose k}^2}x^k.$$ I imagine that the original proof must have made use of this, but I do not know for sure.
 

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