How can the solution to a non-exact differential equation be derived?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of a solution to a non-exact differential equation, specifically examining the equation \(\frac{dx}{\sqrt{1-x^2}} + \frac{dy}{\sqrt{1-y^2}} = 0\) and its rewritten form. Participants explore how to derive the solution \(x\sqrt{1-y^2} + y\sqrt{1-x^2} = C\) from the preceding equation, questioning the validity of integrating term-by-term in the context of non-exact equations.

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  • One participant proposes that the equation can be rewritten and integrated term-by-term, questioning the justification for this approach given the non-exact nature of the differential equation.
  • Another participant challenges this approach, stating that the terms \(\sqrt{1-y^2}\) and \(\sqrt{1-x^2}\) depend on different variables, thus making term-by-term integration invalid.
  • A later reply suggests that the third equation is indeed a solution to the second, indicating that a more complex integrating factor is involved in deriving the solution.
  • One participant notes the Jacobian of the two solutions is zero, suggesting that the two solutions may represent the same underlying relationship despite differing forms.
  • Another participant expresses interest in the geometric implications of the solutions, relating them to the sum of angles and their constant nature.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of integrating the non-exact differential equation term-by-term. While some acknowledge the complexity of the integrating factor, others maintain that the dependence of terms on different variables complicates the integration process. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the justification for the integration method used.

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Participants highlight the limitations of their arguments, particularly regarding the assumptions about the dependence of variables in the integration process and the nature of the solutions presented.

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Suppose we have the differential equation:

[tex]\frac{dx}{\sqrt{1-x^2}} + \frac{dy}{\sqrt{1-y^2}} = 0[/tex]

It can be rewritten as:

[tex]\sqrt{1-y^2}dx + \sqrt{1-x^2}dy = 0[/tex]

One solution of this equation (besides arcsin(x) + arcsin(y) = C), is given by:

[tex]x\sqrt{1-y^2} + y\sqrt{1-x^2} = C[/tex]

However, I'm wondering how this equation can be derived from the equation immediately preceding it (i.e., how the "solution", equation 3 above, can be derived from equation 2)?

It looks like it was simply integrated, term-by-term, that is the "dx" term was integrated to give "x" and the "dy" term was integrated to give "y", but usually this can only be done if the D.E. is exact, and this equation does not appear to be exact.

So how is one justified in arriving at that answer, if the equation is not exact?
 
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I am sorry, but your 2nd equation:

[tex]\sqrt{1-y^2}dx + \sqrt{1-x^2}dy = 0[/tex]

cannot be integrated to get the 3rd equation:

[tex]x\sqrt{1-y^2} + y\sqrt{1-x^2} = C[/tex]

You cannot integrate term by term, from dx to x, since [tex]\sqrt{1-y^2}[/tex] depends on x, and [tex]\sqrt{1-x^2}[/tex] depends on y.

In fact, if you have equation 3:

[tex]d\left(x\sqrt{1-y^2}+y \sqrt{1-x^2}\right) = \left(-\frac{x y}{\sqrt{1-x^2}}+\sqrt{1-y^2}\right) dx+\left(\sqrt{1-x^2}-\frac{x y}{\sqrt{1-y^2}}\right) d y[/tex]
 
Yes, but the third equation is a solution for the second (and/or first), and indeed you've indicated the method for how to get from the second equation to the third, which was my original question: the "integrating" factor is just (much) more complex than I had thought.

You start with:

[tex]\frac{dx}{\sqrt{1-x^2}} + \frac{dy}{\sqrt{1-y^2}} =0[/tex]

which is equivalent to:

[tex]\sqrt{1-y^2} dx + \sqrt{1-x^2} dy = 0[/tex]

Call these equations 1 and 2, respectively.

Now multiply equation 1 by -xy:

[tex]\frac{-xydx}{\sqrt{1-x^2}} + \frac{-xydy}{\sqrt{1-y^2}} = 0[/tex]

and now add equation 2:

[tex]\left(\sqrt{1-y^2} - \frac{xy}{\sqrt{1-x^2}}\right)dx + \left(\sqrt{1-x^2} - \frac{xy}{\sqrt{1-y^2}}\right)dy = 0[/tex]

It's easy to show that this equation is, in fact, exact, and indeed the exact differential is given by the expression you provided above, and which indeed is the expression we were trying to derive. You have now:

[tex]d\left(x\sqrt{1-y^2} + y\sqrt{1-x^2}\right) = 0[/tex]

from which we get:

[tex]x\sqrt{1-y^2} + y\sqrt{1-x^2} = C[/tex]

which is what I was trying to prove.

Thanks!
 
It's interesting to note, in passing, that if we take the "two" solutions for the D.E. given above, and calculate their Jacobian, the answer is 0, which is what we would expect if the "two" solutions were actually the same, and just differed in how they were represented.

Differential equation:

[tex]\frac{dx}{\sqrt{1-x^2}} + \frac{dy}{\sqrt{1-y^2}} = 0[/tex]

Two solutions:

[tex]u_1 = \sin^{-1}x + \sin^{-1}y[/tex]

[tex]u_2 = x\sqrt{1-y^2} + y\sqrt{1-x^2}[/tex]

The Jacobian being:

[tex]J = \left|\array{cc}\frac{\partial u_1}{\partial x} & \frac{\partial u_1}{\partial y} \\ \frac{\partial u_2}{\partial x} & \frac{\partial u_2}{\partial y} \endarray\right|[/tex]

[tex]J = \left|\array{cc}\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-x^2}} & \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-y^2}} \\<br /> \sqrt{1-y^2} - \frac{xy}{\sqrt{1-x^2}} & \sqrt{1-x^2} - \frac{xy}{\sqrt{1-y^2}}<br /> \endarray\right|[/tex]

[tex]J = 0[/tex]
 
Hello. psholtz. I thought you just do the integration without considering their dependence. It is interesting that [tex]x\sqrt{1-y^2} + y\sqrt{1-x^2} = C[/tex] is a solution. Thank you for your information in the Jacobian as well.
 
Yes, it is interesting.

It's also interesting to consider the geometrical implications of each solution.

The first solution is as follows:

[tex]\sin^{-1}x + \sin^{-1}y = c_1[/tex]

or in other words, if we define two angles u and v such that:

[tex]u = \sin^{-1}x[/tex]

[tex]v = \sin^{-1}y[/tex]

then this solution becomes:

[tex]u + v = c_1[/tex]

Or in other words, the differential equation is simply saying that the "sum" of two angles is constant.

Consider now expressing x and y in terms of u and v:

[tex]x = \sin u[/tex]

[tex]y = \sin v[/tex]

The second solution then becomes:

[tex]x\sqrt{1-y^2} + y\sqrt{1-x^2} = c_2[/tex]

[tex]\sin u \cos v + \sin v \cos u = c_2[/tex]

[tex]\sin(u+v) = c_2[/tex]

Or in other words, the "second" solution is really saying the same identical thing: that the same of the two angles is constant, it's simply saying it in a different way.

The relation between the two constants of integration is clearly:

[tex]\sin(c_1) = c_2[/tex]
 

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