How Can Wave Speed Remain Constant When Particles Move at Different Speeds?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of wave speed in relation to the motion of particles in a medium, specifically in the context of a sine wave traveling along a string. The original poster questions how a wave can maintain a constant speed while the particles of the medium exhibit varying speeds.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the relationship between wave speed and the individual speeds of particles in the medium, suggesting that varying particle speeds could imply a changing wave speed. Some participants question this assumption and clarify the reference frame for measuring wave speed.

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Participants are exploring the fundamental concepts of wave speed and particle motion. Some guidance has been offered regarding the reference frame for wave speed, indicating that it is measured with respect to the medium's undisturbed properties rather than the individual particle speeds.

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There appears to be some confusion regarding the definitions of wave speed and the motion of particles, as well as the reference frame used for these measurements. The discussion reflects a need for clarification on these concepts.

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when we say that speed of a wave is u we mean that with respect to the medium the wave is traveling with a speed u . now consider a sine wave traveling in positive X direction on a string . all the particles of string (these are particles of medium ) will have different speeds . The wave has the same speed wrt all these particles and its speed is u (constant) . how is this possible ?

let us say that a wave wave is propagating along +x axis with a speed u . all the particles have different speeds (along y-axis wrt ground ) . let us say a particle p1 has a speed v1j (wrt ground); wave speed wrt this particle is ui which implies speed of wave wrt ground will be ui + v1j . another particle p2 has a speed v2j (wrt ground); wave speed wrt this particle is again ui which implies speed of wave wrt ground will be ui + v2j . this implies wave speed wrt ground will keep on changing ... am i right ?
 
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The average velocity of every element of string is 0. That's your reference frame.
 
i did not understand what tide said
 
this implies wave speed wrt ground will keep on changing ... am i right ?

The direct answer to your original question is "No, you are wrong."

The wave speed is not the speed of the individual "particles of the medium." You measure the speed of the wave with respect to the undisturbed or mean properties of the medium.
 
ok thanks a lot ...
 

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