How Can We Address Oil Route Security and Costs in the Gulf?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the security and costs associated with oil routes in the Gulf region, particularly focusing on the implications of potential conflicts, piracy, and historical oil pipelines. Participants explore various solutions to enhance oil transport efficiency and security, including the revival of old oil lines and military strategies against piracy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern about the vulnerability of oil routes in the Gulf to conflict and propose historical solutions like the Iraqi and Saudi Tap Lines to mitigate risks and reduce costs.
  • There is a suggestion that shipping oil from Syria to Europe may incur higher costs due to additional transportation by boat, with Turkey being highlighted as a key transit point.
  • Participants discuss the financial implications of piracy, suggesting that shipping from the Gulf to Europe requires additional costs for protection against pirates.
  • One viewpoint advocates for registering ships under a US flag to potentially lower insurance and protection costs, citing past military actions against piracy as a deterrent.
  • Another participant challenges the effectiveness of military responses to piracy, arguing that the scale of the problem may render such solutions costly and ineffective.
  • There is mention of alternative routes from KSA to Europe that could bypass some of the issues discussed, particularly for Iraq and Kuwait using the Tapline.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the effectiveness of proposed solutions, with no clear consensus on the best approach to address oil route security and costs. Disagreements arise regarding the feasibility of military solutions to piracy and the economic implications of different shipping routes.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the issue, including the dependence on historical infrastructure, the financial burden of piracy, and the geopolitical landscape affecting oil transport. Unresolved assumptions about the effectiveness of military intervention and the economic viability of proposed routes are present.

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Now there is a big problem in the Gulf ...it is a major oil rout to the world not only us !

What we can do to prevent a full cut to this by war if its start?

and how we can cut the shipping costs to EU and US

How we can get ride of the pirates[Somali] problem and its effects

there is an old solution to this problem back from 1948

there is an oil line called the Iraqi Tap line and the Saudi Tap Line

it was the most important line in the ME
Iraqi Tapline from Iraq to Syria then to the Mediterranean Sea

KSA Tapline from KSA to Jordan then Syria and to the Mediterranean Sea

this two lines will change the price of oil in the world making it cheaper

and eliminate the possibility to cut oil from the world

but what kind of action needed to do to make it up and ruining
 
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if you're going to get off in Syria, then you've still got to ship it by boat to europe. i assume that is more expensive, and why Turkey is still the world's crossroads (at least as far as shipping petroleum to europe is concerned). some obviously goes thru russia, but I'm not sure anyone likes depending on them. they did cut off ukraine's gas in the middle of winter over a money dispute recently.

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/mapImages/44ee32e1c7619.pdf
 
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Proton Soup said:
if you're going to get off in Syria, then you've still got to ship it by boat to europe. i assume that is more expensive, and why Turkey is still the world's crossroads (at least as far as shipping petroleum to europe is concerned). some obviously goes thru russia, but I'm not sure anyone likes depending on them. they did cut off ukraine's gas in the middle of winter over a money dispute recently.

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/mapImages/44ee32e1c7619.pdf

it will cost less than shipping it from the gulf to eu

dont forget you have to pay for protection from pirates if you are shipping from gulf to eu and Namerica
 
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it will cost less than shipping it from the gulf to eu

dont forget you have to pay for protection from pirates if you are shipping from gulf to eu and Namerica

they can firebomb the pirates for all i care. in fact, look at what happens when they hijack ships flying under a US flag. it was nice to see Obama letting the military do what they do best with those guys. so, there's your protection right there. register your ship under a US flag. think of how much you'll save in insurance and "protection".

that said, we here in Namerica don't import a huge amount of middle-east petroleum. most of ours comes from our hemisphere.
 
Proton Soup said:
they can firebomb the pirates for all i care. in fact, look at what happens when they hijack ships flying under a US flag. it was nice to see Obama letting the military do what they do best with those guys. so, there's your protection right there. register your ship under a US flag. think of how much you'll save in insurance and "protection".

that said, we here in Namerica don't import a huge amount of middle-east petroleum. most of ours comes from our hemisphere.

no they can't

you are paying now for them but under the table :)

WHY?

because you are dealing with people that don't care much for life and death and fire bombing every one that hijack ... it will cost a lot of money they are in thousands

and for KSA there is other way from the field to the red sea to eu.

but for IRAQ and Kuwait the Tapline is the best
 

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