How Can You Prove That a²+(b²)² Equals 1994 in Positive Integers?
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The discussion revolves around proving that the equation \( a^2 + b^4 = 1994 \) holds for positive integers \( a \) and \( b \) under the condition that \( b > 3 \). Participants explore various mathematical approaches and reasoning related to this equation.
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Main Points Raised
Some participants present the equation \( a^2 + b^4 = 2((a-6)^2 + (b+1)^2) \) as a starting point for proving the original claim.
One participant derives that \( b^4 - 2b^2 - a^2 + 24a = 4b + 74 \) and suggests completing the squares to analyze the equation further.
Two cases are proposed based on the relationship between \( b^2 - 1 \) and \( a - 12 \), leading to different implications for the values of \( a \) and \( b \).
In Case 1, it is argued that the assumption leads to an impossible situation, ruling out this case.
In Case 2, it is suggested that \( b \) can only take values of 4 or 5, leading to specific calculations for \( a \) based on these values.
One participant concludes that \( (a, b) = (37, 5) \) satisfies the equation, but notes that this does not prove it is the only solution.
Another participant acknowledges the solution provided and indicates that there are multiple methods to approach the problem.
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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether \( (37, 5) \) is the only solution, as the discussion includes multiple approaches and reasoning without definitive agreement on exclusivity.
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The discussion includes assumptions about the relationships between \( a \) and \( b \) and relies on specific mathematical manipulations that may not cover all possible cases or solutions.
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Let $a,\,b$ be positive integers with $b>3$ and $a^2+b^4=2((a-6)^2+(b+1)^2)$.
Let $a,\,b$ be positive integers with $b>3$ and $a^2+b^4=2((a-6)^2+(b+1)^2)$.
Prove that $a^2+b^4=1994$.
To prove:
$a^2+b^4=2((a-6)^2+(b+1)^2)=1994$.
that is to prove:
$(a-6)^2+(b+1)^2=997=31^2+6^2$
$\therefore a=37,\,\, b=5$
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anemone said:
Let $a,\,b$ be positive integers with $b>3$ and $a^2+b^4=2((a-6)^2+(b+1)^2)$.
Prove that $a^2+b^4=1994$.
[sp]If $a^2+b^4=2\bigl((a-6)^2+(b+1)^2\bigr) = 2a^2 + 2b^2 - 24a + 4b + 74$ then $b^4 - 2b^2 - a^2 + 24a = 4b+74.$ Complete the squares on the left, to get $(b^2-1)^2 - (a-12)^2 = 4b-69.$
The two squares on the left cannot be equal, because that would mean $4b-69=0$, and that does not have an integer solution. So there are two possible cases.
Case 1: $b^2-1 > a-12$. In this case, $a-12$ is at most $b^2-2$. Therefore $4b-69 = (b^2-1)^2 - (a-12)^2 \geqslant (b^2-1)^2 - (b^2-2)^2 = 2b^2-3.$ But this says that $0\geqslant 2b^2 - 4b + 66 = 2(b-1)^2 + 64.$ That is clearly impossible, so this case cannot arise.
Case 2: $b^2-1 < a-12$. Then $a-12$ is at least $b^2$, and so $4b-69 =(b^2-1)^2 - (a-12)^2 \leqslant (b^2-1)^2 - (b^2)^2 = 1-2b^2.$ Therefore $2b^2 + 4b - 70 \leqslant0.$ This says that $2(b+1)^2 \leqslant 72$, so that $(b+1)^2 \leqslant 36$, $b+1 \leqslant 6$, $b\leqslant5.$ But we are told that $b>3$. Therefore $b=4$ or $5$.
If $b=4$ then the equation $(b^2-1)^2 - (a-12)^2 = 4b-69$ becomes $(a-12)^2 = 278.$ But that is not a perfect square, so we must have $b=5$, in which case $(a-12)^2 = 625 = 25^2$, and $a = 25+12 = 37.$
To prove:
$a^2+b^4=2((a-6)^2+(b+1)^2)=1994$.
that is to prove:
$(a-6)^2+(b+1)^2=997=31^2+6^2$
$\therefore a=37,\,\, b=5$
[sp]This verifies that $a=37$, $b=5$ is a possible solution of the equation $a^2+b^4=2\bigl((a-6)^2+(b+1)^2\bigr)$. But it does not show that it is the only one. It assumes that both sides are equal to 1994, which is the result that is to be proved.[/sp]
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Albert said:
To prove:
$a^2+b^4=2((a-6)^2+(b+1)^2)=1994$.
that is to prove:
$(a-6)^2+(b+1)^2=997=31^2+6^2$
$\therefore a=37,\,\, b=5$
Hey Albert, like Opalg has already mentioned, you have to prove that $(a,\,b)=(37,\,5)$ is the only solution to that original given equation.:)
Opalg said:
[sp]If $a^2+b^4=2\bigl((a-6)^2+(b+1)^2\bigr) = 2a^2 + 2b^2 - 24a + 4b + 74$ then $b^4 - 2b^2 - a^2 + 24a = 4b+74.$ Complete the squares on the left, to get $(b^2-1)^2 - (a-12)^2 = 4b-69.$
The two squares on the left cannot be equal, because that would mean $4b-69=0$, and that does not have an integer solution. So there are two possible cases.
Case 1: $b^2-1 > a-12$. In this case, $a-12$ is at most $b^2-2$. Therefore $4b-69 = (b^2-1)^2 - (a-12)^2 \geqslant (b^2-1)^2 - (b^2-2)^2 = 2b^2-3.$ But this says that $0\geqslant 2b^2 - 4b + 66 = 2(b-1)^2 + 64.$ That is clearly impossible, so this case cannot arise.
Case 2: $b^2-1 < a-12$. Then $a-12$ is at least $b^2$, and so $4b-69 =(b^2-1)^2 - (a-12)^2 \leqslant (b^2-1)^2 - (b^2)^2 = 1-2b^2.$ Therefore $2b^2 + 4b - 70 \leqslant0.$ This says that $2(b+1)^2 \leqslant 72$, so that $(b+1)^2 \leqslant 36$, $b+1 \leqslant 6$, $b\leqslant5.$ But we are told that $b>3$. Therefore $b=4$ or $5$.
If $b=4$ then the equation $(b^2-1)^2 - (a-12)^2 = 4b-69$ becomes $(a-12)^2 = 278.$ But that is not a perfect square, so we must have $b=5$, in which case $(a-12)^2 = 625 = 25^2$, and $a = 25+12 = 37.$
I will show another method (which isn't my solution) here, so that we know this problem admits at least two methods to solve it.
Rewriting the given equation we have, a quadratic in $a$ where
$a^2-24a-b^4+2b^2+4b+74=0$
It has integer solutions only if the discriminant $4(b^4-2b^2-4b+70)$ is a perfect square. It's easy to show that for $b\ge 4$,
$(b^2-2)^2<b^4-2b^2-4b+7<(b^2+1)^2$
Indeed, $b^2-2b+33>0$ and $4b(b+1)>69$. The first inequality is true. Since $b\ge 4$, $4b(b+1)>4\cdot 4\cdot 5=80>69$. The only perfect perfect squares between $(b^2-2)^2$ and $(b^2-1)^2$ are $(b^2-1)^2$ and $(b^2)^2$. Now,
$(b^2-1)^2=b^4-2b^2-4b+70$ gives $b=\dfrac{69}{4}$ which isn't an integer.
$b^4-2b^2-4b+70=b^4$ gives $b^2+2b-35=0$ or $b=5$ or $b=-7$.
Thus, $b=5$ and it gives $a=37$ and $a^2+b^4=37^2+5^4=1994$.