How can you solve equations involving trigonometric identities?

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The discussion revolves around solving equations involving trigonometric identities, specifically focusing on two equations: one involving cosine and sine, and the other involving cotangent and cosecant. Participants explore methods for manipulating these equations using trigonometric identities and the quadratic formula.

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  • One participant presents the equation \(4\cos^2(\theta) + 5\sin(\theta) = 3\) and suggests using a Pythagorean identity to convert it into a quadratic form.
  • Another participant applies the quadratic formula to the rearranged equation and discusses the implications of the sine function's range on the solutions found.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about the second equation \(4\cot^2(x) - 6\csc(x) = -6\) and inquire about the substitution of identities, questioning whether these identities are given or need to be derived.
  • One participant provides a detailed derivation of the identity \(1 + \cot^2(x) = \csc^2(x)\) and demonstrates how to manipulate the second equation into a quadratic form.
  • Another participant discusses the solutions obtained from the second equation, noting the range of the cosecant function and the implications for the solutions.

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Participants generally agree on the methods for manipulating the equations using trigonometric identities and the quadratic formula. However, there is ongoing uncertainty regarding the second equation and the derivation of identities, indicating that multiple views and levels of understanding remain present.

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Some participants express a lack of familiarity with the material, indicating that they are revisiting concepts after a long time. There are also mentions of the need to check for undefined values when manipulating trigonometric equations.

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This discussion may be useful for students preparing for university-level mathematics or those seeking to refresh their knowledge of trigonometric identities and equations.

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Can anybody please help me solve either of these equations

Solve the following equation for angles between 0 and 360 degrees

4cos²θ + 5sinθ = 3
4cot² - 6 cosec x = -6
 
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As these are trigonometric problems, I have moved this thread accordingly. :D

Let's look at the first one:

$$4\cos^2(\theta)+5\sin(\theta)=3$$

Now, we should observe that if we use a Pythagorean identity:

$$\cos^2(\alpha)=1-\sin^2(\alpha)$$

We will obtain an equation that is a quadratic in $\sin(\theta)$...

$$4\left(1-\sin^2(\theta)\right)+5\sin(\theta)=3$$

Arrange in standard form:

$$4\sin^2(\theta)-5\sin(\theta)-1=0$$

Now, what do you get when you apply the quadratic formula?
 
To be honest I'm lost with it all, I havnt done it in years and I'm hoping to start university soon so was just looking at refresher questions
 
The solutions for $ax^2+bx+c=0$ (a quadratic equation) are

$$x=\frac{-b\pm\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}$$

Using Mark's equation, we have as possible solutions

$$\sin(x)=\frac{-(-5)\pm\sqrt{(-5)^2-4(4)(-1)}}{2(4)}=\frac{5\pm\sqrt{41}}{8}$$

but the sine function has range [-1, 1], so

$$\sin(x)=\frac{5-\sqrt{41}}{8}$$

$$x=\sin^{-1}\left(\frac{5-\sqrt{41}}{8}\right)\approx-10.101^\circ$$

This is a negative so to get solutions in our desired range we use

$$x=360+\sin^{-1}\left(\frac{5-\sqrt{41}}{8}\right)\approx349.899^\circ$$

and

$$x=180-\sin^{-1}\left(\frac{5-\sqrt{41}}{8}\right)\approx190.101^\circ$$

By the way, what do you plan on taking at university? You may need to upgrade your math skills.
 
this was incredibly helpful, I understand it and just needed my mind refreshing so thanks, in terms of the second one how do you substitute the identity? Is this a given formula or do you need to transpose it to find it yourself? Can you do the same working for the first part of the second question as you did with the first?
 
simongreen93 said:
this was incredibly helpful, I understand it and just needed my mind refreshing so thanks, in terms of the second one how do you substitute the identity? Is this a given formula or do you need to transpose it to find it yourself? Can you do the same working for the first part of the second question as you did with the first?

$4\cot^2(x) - 6cosec(x) = -6 $

For this one the relevant identity is $cot^2(x) = cosec^2(x) - 1 \ \ [\text{eq1}]$ which leads to $4(cosec^2(x)-1) - 6cosec(x) = -6$

$4cosec^2(x) - 4 - 6cosec(x) = -6 $

$2cosec^2(x) - 3cosec(x) +1 = 0$ (I've taken the liberty of cancelling out a factor of 2 here)Just in case you can't remember the identity in [eq1] you can derive it from the Pythagorean formula in post 2.

$\sin^2(x) + \cos^2(x) = 1$

Dividing each side by $\cos^2(x)$ gives the identity required $1 + \cot^2(x) = cosec^2(x)$
 
simongreen93 said:
... in terms of the second one how do you substitute the identity? Is this a given formula or do you need to transpose it to find it yourself? Can you do the same working for the first part of the second question as you did with the first?

$$4\cot^2(x)-6\csc(x)=-6$$

Start with

$$\sin^2(x)+\cos^2(x)=1$$

Divide through by $\sin^2(x)$:

$$1+\cot^2(x)=\csc^2(x)$$

Note that, when dividing, we should always check if there are solutions for when what we are dividing by is equal to 0, but here the original equation is not defined where $\sin(x)=0$ so we're o.k.

So our problem becomes

$$4(\csc^2(x)-1)-6\csc(x)=-6$$

$$4\csc^2(x)-6\csc(x)+2=0$$

$$2\csc^2(x)-3\csc(x)+1=0$$

$$\csc(x)=\frac{3\pm\sqrt{9-8}}{4}=1,\frac12$$

Or one can factor:

$$4\csc^2(x)-6\csc(x)+2=0$$

$$2(2\csc^2(x)-3\csc(x)+1)=0$$

$$(2\csc(x)-1)(\csc(x)-1)=0\implies\csc(x)=1,\frac12$$

$\csc(x)$ has range $(-\infty,-1]\cup[1,\infty)$ so the only (real number) solutions are where $\csc(x)=1$, i.e.,

$$x=\frac\pi2+2k\pi,\,k\in\mathbb{Z}$$

with $x$ in radians.

Note that

$$\arccsc(x)=\arcsin\left(\frac1x\right)$$

$$\arcsec(x)=\arccos\left(\frac1x\right)$$

as problems such as these may not always work out to such 'neat' values.
 

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