How can you tell that a planet in another star system is tidally locked?

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The discussion revolves around the detection of tidal locking in exoplanets, particularly those located in distant star systems. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings of tidal locking, the challenges of observing such planets, and the implications of their proximity to their stars.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how tidal locking can be determined for planets that are too far away to be resolved by telescopes, suggesting that detection methods must rely on indirect observations.
  • Another participant mentions that the relationship between mass, orbital period, and distance from the star is crucial for understanding tidal locking, although they admit to not fully grasping the mathematics involved.
  • A reference to Wikipedia is made, explaining that tidal locking is influenced by gravitational torque and tidal forces, but this does not directly address detection methods for distant planets.
  • Some participants note that for certain planets, circumferential temperature profiles can provide evidence of tidal locking, although this is not universally applicable and often relies on assumptions rather than direct observation.
  • One participant proposes that planets close to their stars are likely to be tidally locked due to tidal friction, especially in the context of red dwarf stars where the habitable zone overlaps with the tidal lock zone.
  • A question is raised about the possibility of tidally locked planets having moons, indicating uncertainty about the dynamics involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and assumptions regarding tidal locking, with no consensus on the methods for detecting it in distant star systems. Some agree on the theoretical implications of proximity to stars, while others highlight the limitations of current observational techniques.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects limitations in observational capabilities and the reliance on theoretical models to infer tidal locking status, particularly for planets that cannot be directly observed.

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My question was piqued by this article: http://news.discovery.com/space/earth-like-planet-life.html

The article claims that the planet discovered is tidally locked, but does not explain how this was determined. Presumably the planet is much too far away to be resolved by any telescope, and its position and mass have been inferred by other means (its periodic effect on the parent star's apparent brightness, etc). How could we determine whether or not a planet like this is tidally locked?
 
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I am not claiming to understand all the math, but it is based on mass, orbital period and distance from the star.
 
From Wikipedia: The change in rotation rate necessary to tidally lock a body B to a larger body A is caused by the torque applied by A's gravity on bulges it has induced on B by tidal forces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_locking"
 
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Thanks for the answer, Borg, but I do understand what tidal locking is; my question was about how we can detect it in a star system 20 light-years away, since (I am assuming) it would be impossible to resolve the shape of a planet that far away even with our best telescopes.
 
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There are only a few planets - like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_189733" - where you can derive a circumferential temperature profile to directly confim its tidally locked status.
But there are quite robust http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_locking#Timescale" that say that a large class of planets simply must be tidally locked. This is not observed, it's assumed.
 
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Thanks Ich, that's what I was looking for.
 
ladr0n said:
Thanks for the answer, Borg, but I do understand what tidal locking is; my question was about how we can detect it in a star system 20 light-years away, since (I am assuming) it would be impossible to resolve the shape of a planet that far away even with our best telescopes.
Sorry, I just quoted the beginning of the article. The page is the same as the calculations/estimations link that Ich supplied.
 
As I understand it, a planet close enough to a star must be tidally locked because simply being there would cause enough tidal friction to stop rotation in much less then the likely age of the planet. For red dwarf stars, the habitable zone lies inside the tidal lock zone. Planets also have a tidal lock zone for their moons.

We can't really measure Gliese 581g's rotation directly so there is a very slim chance that it (or any exoplanet) may have recently been hit by something big that started it spinning again. But the chance of that is too small to worry about - and it would stop again in a short (astronomically speaking) amount of time.

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BTW: Am I correct in assuming that a tidally locked planet can't have a moon?
 

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