How common is it for stars to have rocky bodies orbiting them?

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The discussion revolves around the prevalence of rocky bodies orbiting stars, including the implications for the formation of life and the limitations of the Drake equation. Participants explore the likelihood of stars having leftover rocky material after formation and the conditions necessary for life beyond rocky planets.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that at least 20% of stars have planets, questioning the share of rocky bodies and the likelihood of stars consuming all material without leftovers.
  • Another participant suggests that almost every star has some rocky material, but the amount and presence of sub-planet sized objects are uncertain due to lack of data.
  • Data from the Kepler satellite indicates that the number of stars with at least one planet is likely higher than 20%.
  • There is a debate about the necessity of rocky planets for life, with some arguing that life could potentially form on smaller bodies like asteroids or comets, while others emphasize the importance of rocky planets for sustaining life as we know it.
  • One participant argues that smaller bodies may not attract enough material to support life, while larger bodies may be too extreme in conditions for complex molecular structures to form.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of mega-moons around gas giants potentially being habitable, suggesting that conditions could allow for tectonic activity similar to Mars.
  • There is a consensus that liquid water is a critical requirement for life, which is typically associated with rocky planets.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of rocky planets for life, with some supporting the idea that life could exist on smaller bodies, while others argue that rocky planets are essential. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the prevalence of rocky bodies and the implications for life.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of current data on sub-planet sized objects and the assumptions underlying the Drake equation, particularly regarding the conditions required for life.

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Hi all,

I've read somewhere that at least 20% of our galaxy's stars have planets orbiting them? But what is the share if we include all kinds of rocky bodies? How likely is it that stars suck in everything without leaving any leftover material what so ever?

I'm curious because the Drake equation seem to have a flaw in that it requires planets in order for life to form. Wouldn't all the required elements would also be available on smaller objects as well? The environmental conditions might not be as hospitable, but that's a separate question.

Thanks as always!
 
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Almost every star will have some rocky material around it---it's just a question about how much. In the case of sub-planet sized objects, its very hard to say because there's no data. From a theoretical perspective, every star will leave some material around after it forms---not all stars necessarily have all of the heavy carbonaceous and silicate compounds to form rocky structures however.

Data from the new Kepler satellite suggests that about 20% of all stars have 'multiple planets'. Most likely the number of stars with at least 1 planet is much larger.

About Drake's equation---there are lots of reasons to expect Life to require planets to form. But there are people who think that life could form otherwise---on asteroids, comets, or even just in interstellar clouds (but many of those people do very questionable 'science'). What it comes down to, is that there is only one place we know life to exist, and that is on a rocky planet. It is thus logical to start with the idea that rocky planets are the primary location of interest.

Some of the reasons why rocky planets would be necessary:
Smaller bodies will not attract enough material, of enough varieties to form life; larger bodies are too hot/heavy for large compounds to form.
The formation of complex molecular structure requires both strong energy sources (for the chemical reactions) and a stable, protective environment to shield the products---this is hard to find elsewhere.
Life as we know it, is entirely dependent on liquid water---again, only possible on rocky planets that are able to sustain an atmosphere.
The list goes on.
 
Note that, by analogy with our gas giants' tidally-kneaded moons that seem to contain liquid water between their frozen crust and rocky cores, mega-moons around Neptunian giants could be 'terrestial' beyond the cool end of the normal 'goldilocks' zone. IMHO, something like Mars could stay tectonically active as far out as Jupiter if it were an inner moon...

Uh, I suggested 'Neptunian' because Jupiter and Saturn have lethal magnetospheres...
 
I think rocky alone isn't likely to be enough. As far as we now know, it's going to also need liquid water.
 

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