How do astronomers count stars in the Milky way? (procedure, method)

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The discussion revolves around the methods astronomers use to estimate the number of stars in the Milky Way galaxy. Participants explore various techniques, the challenges involved, and the complexities of counting stars from within the galaxy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that counting stars is an inexact science and not a straightforward hand count, with gravity mentioned as a method.
  • One proposed method involves counting observable stars through all-sky surveys and using computer programs to analyze the data.
  • Participants suggest that understanding the region of the Milky Way where stars are located, including their distance and direction, is crucial for estimating total star counts.
  • Statistical methods are discussed to account for selection biases, as only brighter and nearer stars are typically visible.
  • A participant raises a question about the feasibility of using sampling methods to count stars from within the Milky Way and seeks clarification on how to effectively sample stars visible in the sky or through all-sky surveys.
  • Another participant mentions the importance of compensating for the observer's position in the Milky Way and suggests constructing an analytical model for stellar distribution to estimate the total number of stars.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that counting stars is complex and involves statistical methods, but there is no consensus on the best approach or the specifics of how to implement these methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the effectiveness of sampling methods from within the Milky Way and the specific types of images used in all-sky surveys for star counting.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying astronomy, astrophysics, or anyone curious about methods used in stellar population estimates and the challenges associated with them.

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Hey guys,

What method do astronomers use to count the stars in the galaxy to come up with a number ?
 
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It is an inexact science, not a hand count. Gravity is one method.
 
nukeman said:
What method do astronomers use to count the stars in the galaxy to come up with a number ?

For "*the* galaxy," e.g. our galaxy, it is complicated and inexact as Chronos points out, but the basic idea is something like the following:

1) count the ones observable (using all-sky surveys and computer programs)
2) figure out what region of the milky way these stars are in (e.g. their distance and direction away)
3) use statistics to account for selection biases (e.g. we only see the brighter, nearer stars) to generalize to the total number of stars in the galaxy.
 
Thanks for that!

Answer me this if you can.

Lets say one way is to use a sampling method. How can we count/sample the stars when we are inside the milkyway? Or, how can we use simple methods to count stars we can see in the sky, or on a all sky survey?

Can you get a good picture of a all sky survey?
 
Check this out, for example: https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~rkirshner/MilkyWay.jpg
I'm not sure what kind of images they actually use for such estimates however.

nukeman said:
Lets say one way is to use a sampling method. How can we count/sample the stars when we are inside the milkyway? Or, how can we use simple methods to count stars we can see in the sky, or on a all sky survey?
I'm not entirely clear on what you're asking. We know our basic position in the milky way, so if we could the stars near us (the ones we can easily see) we can try to compensate (statistically) for our position... also, one could use the direction dependence of the observed population of stars (very apparent in the above link), to construct an analytical model for the milky way's stellar distribution---then integrate to estimate the total.
Does that help?
 

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