How Do Eigenvalues and Eigenvectors Connect to Fourier Transforms?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of eigenvalues and eigenvectors in linear algebra and their connection to Fourier transforms. Participants explore the definitions, significance, and applications of these mathematical constructs, while also addressing the challenges faced by those with limited background in linear algebra.

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  • One participant seeks a basic understanding of eigenvalues and eigenvectors, expressing difficulty in connecting these concepts to Fourier transforms.
  • Another participant explains that diagonalizing a matrix reveals eigenvalues and eigenvectors, which have analytical properties and correspond to physical modes of a system.
  • A different participant notes that not all matrices possess a complete set of eigenvectors, using the rotation matrix in ℝ2 as an example, which lacks eigenvectors unless the angle is a multiple of π.
  • One participant illustrates the concept of eigenvalues with a correction regarding the conditions under which 1 can be an eigenvalue, emphasizing the fixed nature of vectors under certain transformations.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the insights shared and mentions starting to study linear algebra to better understand the discussion.
  • A later reply corrects a previous statement about the conditions for eigenvalues related to rotation, clarifying it should be an integer multiple of 2π.
  • Another participant expresses improved understanding and inquires about resources for learning the derivation of Fourier transforms, mentioning their current study from Khan Academy and interest in Laplace and Z transforms.

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Participants generally agree on the significance of eigenvalues and eigenvectors, but there is a lack of consensus regarding the completeness of eigenvectors for all matrices. The discussion remains unresolved on the best resources for learning about Fourier transforms and related topics.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of linear algebra, which may affect their grasp of the connections to Fourier transforms. The discussion also highlights the dependency on specific definitions and conditions for eigenvalues and eigenvectors.

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Hello guys, is there any way someone can explain to me in resume what eigen values and eigenvectors are because I don't really recall this theme from linear algebra, and I'm not getting intuition on where does Fourier transform comes from.

my teacher wrote:
A[itex]\overline{v}[/itex] = λ[itex]\overline{v}[/itex]

then he said that for a vector [itex]\overline{x}[/itex]

[itex]\overline{x}[/itex] = [itex]\sum^{n}[/itex] [itex]_{i=1}[/itex] xi [itex]\overline{e}[/itex]i

and he calls this [itex]\overline{e<sub>i</sub>}[/itex] the inicial ortonormal base

the he says that this is equal to

[itex]\overline{x}[/itex] = [itex]\sum^{n}[/itex] [itex]_{i=1}[/itex] [itex]\widehat{x}[/itex]i [itex]\overline{v}[/itex]i

where [itex]\overline{v}[/itex]i is the base of the eigenvectors of A


then he says that y=A[itex]\overline{x}[/itex]

[itex]\overline{y}[/itex] = [itex]\sum^{n}[/itex] [itex]_{i=1}[/itex] yi [itex]\overline{e}[/itex]i = [itex]\sum^{n}[/itex] [itex]_{i=1}[/itex] [itex]\widehat{y}[/itex]i [itex]\overline{v}[/itex]i = A[itex]\sum^{n}[/itex] [itex]_{i=1}[/itex] [itex]\widehat{x}[/itex]i [itex]\overline{v}[/itex]i = [itex]\sum^{n}[/itex] [itex]_{i=1}[/itex] A[itex]\widehat{x}[/itex]i [itex]\overline{v}[/itex]i = itex]\sum^{n}[/itex] [itex]_{i=1}[/itex] [itex]\widehat{x}[/itex]i A [itex]\overline{v}[/itex]i = as A[itex]\overline{v}[/itex]i is λ[itex]\overline{v}[/itex]i = itex]\sum^{n}[/itex] [itex]_{i=1}[/itex] [itex]\widehat{x}[/itex]i λi [itex]\overline{v}[/itex]i

So we get that [itex]\widehat{x}[/itex]i λ = [itex]\widehat{y}[/itex]i

I Would like to know the intuition behind this and how it relates to the Fourier Series/ Fourier Transform.
I'd really apreciate not to go into deep mathematics once I have very very weak Linear Algebra bases and I will have to waste some time relearning it, but unfortunately I don't have time now.


Hope someone can help!

Thanks in advance!

Pedro
 
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In linear algebra you will have "diagonalized the matrix" towards the end of the term; this process finds the eigenvalues (the terms on the diagonal) and the eigenvectors (the new set of basis vectors for the system).

Thus if you can diagonalize the matrix, a complete set of eigenvectors will exist; they have very nice analytical properties. They correspond to the physical "modes of the system" - if you bang something in the same direction as one of its eigenvectors, then it will only respond in that direction; if you hit it elsewhere, you get multiple responses. That is the significance of the eigenvector equation ... used heavily in acoustics and quantum mechanics, among others.
 
Not all matrices have a set of eigenvectors that spans the whole vector space. As an example consider the rotation matrix in ℝ2:

\begin{pmatrix}
cos\theta & -sin\theta \\
sin\theta & cos\theta
\end{pmatrix}

Unless ##\theta## is a multiple of ##\pi##, this matrix doesn't have eigenvectors at all!

Usually in applications in physics and engineering, the matrices are hermitian, which guarantees a complete set of eigenvectors.
 
Mr. Albot:
Maybe you can look at hilbert2's example to illustrate the concept: if 1 were an eigenvalue, then a vector would be sent to itself ( or, more precisely, to the same place (x,y) where it starts; after a rotation). Clearly, like hilbert2 says, 1 can only be an eigenvalue if you rotate by an integer multiple of $$\pi$$ , and the eigenvectors would be all points that are fixed by the rotation. Notice that if $$\lambda=1$$ is an eigenvalue, that means $$Tv=v$$ , so that v is fixed by the transformation.
 
Thanks a lot guys! I just started to study Linear Algebra from the beginning because I wasn't understanding anything you were saying, but only now I can to see how usefull your comments were! Algebra is beautifull ...Thanks a lot again!
 
A correction to my post #4: that should be an integer multiple of ##2\pi## , not an integer multiple of ##\pi##.
 
exactly! that makes a lot more sense now, but I got the point the first time. Do you know where can I find the best place to learn the derivation of Fourier transform? Right now I am learning from khan academy once I'm a little short on time but its being a pleasant trip over linear algebra. How exactly do I map from the R^n to the complex map ?
Best regards

edit: what I really want to know is the derivation of laplace transform and Z transform, once Fourier comes from that.
 
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