How Do Eigenvalues and Eigenvectors Change for Matrix B = exp(3A) + 5I?

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The discussion revolves around finding the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of the matrix B, defined as B = exp(3A) + 5I, where A is a given matrix. The participants are exploring the implications of matrix exponentiation and how it relates to the eigenvalues of A.

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  • Participants discuss the eigenvalues of exp(A) and how they relate to the eigenvalues of A. There is an exploration of the relationship between the eigenvalues of exp(3A) and those of A, leading to the expression e^{3λ} for eigenvalues. Questions arise about how to extend this to the matrix B.

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There is a productive exchange regarding the calculation of eigenvalues for exp(3A) and the subsequent addition of 5I. Some participants have suggested that the eigenvalues of B can be expressed as e^{3a} + 5, while others are clarifying the notation and ensuring understanding of the matrix operations involved.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the depth of exploration into the proofs or derivations of the concepts discussed. There is also a focus on proper notation and formatting in mathematical expressions.

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Homework Statement


Find the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of the matrix
##A=\matrix{{2, 0, -1}\\{0, 2, -1}\\{-1, -1, 3} }##

What are the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of the matrix B = exp(3A) + 5I, where I is

the identity matrix?

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The Attempt at a Solution


So I've found the eigenvectors for A to be ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}\vec{1,1,-2}##, ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\vec{1,1,1}##, ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\vec{-1,1,0}## with eigenvalues 4,1 one 2 respectively. but i don't know how to do the second part

Many thanks
 
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Can you calculate the eigenvalues of ##exp(A)##?
 
PeroK said:
Can you calculate the eigenvalues of ##exp(A)##?
They are the exponentials of the eigenvalues of A
 
Physgeek64 said:
They are the exponentials of the eigenvalues of A

Well, that's a good start. What about ##exp(3A)##?
 
PeroK said:
Well, that's a good start. What about ##exp(3A)##?
##e^{3\lambda}##?
 
Physgeek64 said:
##e^{3\lambda}##?

How could you prove that if you are not sure? Hint: it's not hard. Try letting ##B = 3A##
 
PeroK said:
How could you prove that if you are not sure? Hint: it's not hard. Try letting ##B = 3A##
the eigenvalues of ##exp(B)## are ##e^b## but ##b=3a## where a are the eigenvalues of A for ##B=3A##. Hence the eigenvalues are ##e^{3a}##
 
Physgeek64 said:
the eigenvalues of ##exp(B)## are ##e^b## but ##b=3a## where a are the eigenvalues of A for ##B=3A##. Hence the eigenvalues are ##e^{3a}##

Yes. Although, I would start with something like:

Let ##v## be an eigenvector of ##A## with eigenvalue ##\lambda \dots##
 
PeroK said:
Yes. Although, I would start with something like:

Let ##v## be an eigenvector of ##A## with eigenvalue ##\lambda \dots##
Okay. But how do you find the eigenvalues of ##exp(3A)+5I##?
 
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Physgeek64 said:
Okay. But how do you find the eigenvalues of ##exp(3A)+5I##?

I thought you had worked it out. Where do you think you are stuck?
 
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PeroK said:
Yes. Although, I would start with something like:

Let ##v## be an eigenvector of ##A## with eigenvalue ##\lambda \dots##

##\dots Bv = (\exp(3A) + 5I)v = \dots##

Does that help?
 
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Physgeek64 said:

Homework Statement


Find the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of the matrix
##A=\matrix{{2, 0, -1}\\{0, 2, -1}\\{-1, -1, 3} }##

What are the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of the matrix B = exp(3A) + 5I, where I is

the identity matrix?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


So I've found the eigenvectors for A to be ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}\vec{1,1,-2}##, ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\vec{1,1,1}##, ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\vec{-1,1,0}## with eigenvalues 4,1 one 2 respectively. but i don't know how to do the second part

Many thanks
For future reference: you can format a matrix nicely as
$$A = \pmatrix{2 & 0 & -1\\0 & 2 & -1 \\ -1 & -1 & 3}$$
The instructions that do that are "\pmatrix{2 & 0 & -1\\0 & 2 & -1 \\ -1 & -1 & 3}". Note the use of '&' as a separator, not a comma, and there is only one pair of curly brackets "{ }".

Also, your eigenvalues read as ##\langle \frac{1}{\sqrt{6}} 1 , 1, -2 \rangle##, but you might have meant ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{6}} \langle 1,1,-2 \rangle##, which is very different. Using ##\vec{\mbox{ }}## does not work well for an array of more than about two characters in length, so ##\vec{v_1}## looks OK but ##\vec{v_1, v_2, v_3,v_4}## does not.
 
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PeroK said:
##\dots Bv = (\exp(3A) + 5I)v = \dots##

Does that help?
Will have eigenvalues ##e^{3a+5}## with the same eigenvectors

Thank you for your help
 
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Physgeek64 said:
Will have eigenvalues ##e^{3a+5}## with the same eigenvectors

Thank you for your help

Is that ##exp(3a+5)## or ##exp(3a) + 5##?
 
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PeroK said:
Is that ##exp(3a+5)## or ##exp(3a) + 5##?
Oops sorry its meant to be ##exp(3a) + 5##
 

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