How do i integrate this? Am i doing it right?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of a differential equation related to the concentrations of two chemical species, Cb and Ca, in a reaction. Participants explore the integration process, the constants involved, and the correct application of mathematical techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integration approach for the equation dCb/dt = k1Ca - k2Cb, leading to a proposed solution.
  • Another participant questions what is considered constant in the equation, suggesting k1, k2, and Ca are constants.
  • A participant points out the omission of an arbitrary constant in the integration process, suggesting it should include ln(k1Ca - k2Cb) = t + C.
  • There is a suggestion to use external resources for checking answers, such as Wolfram Alpha.
  • Some participants discuss the application of the Chain Rule in the integration process, with differing views on its implementation.
  • One participant claims that the integration was performed incorrectly and provides an alternative expression involving the natural logarithm.
  • Another participant clarifies that the coefficient of Cb is indeed divided by k2, but notes that parentheses were omitted in the original expression.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of the integration steps, with some agreeing on the need for an arbitrary constant while others contest the integration method itself. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct approach to the integration.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the handling of constants and the correct application of mathematical techniques in the integration process. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the integration steps and the assumptions made.

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dCb/dt = k1Ca-k2Cb
dCb/(k1Ca-k2Cb)=dt
Now integrate.
ln(k1Ca-k2Cb)=t
(k1Ca-k2Cb) = et
Rearranging
k2Cb=-et +k1Ca
Cb= -et +k1Ca/k2
 
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What is constant and what is not?
 
k1, k2 and Ca are constants
 
You forgot your arbitrary constant: ln(k1Ca-k2Cb)=t+C
You forgot you parentheses: Cb= (Cet +k1Ca)/k2
 
Oh sweet!
Cheers for that!
 
So other than that?
It's all good?
 
Why not use reverse of Chain Rule?
 
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He did. That's were the natural logarithm came from.
 
  • #11
I mean the coefficient of Cb isn't divided by
 
  • #12
It is, but he left out the ()s, see my post above.
 
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Kbotz said:
dCb/dt = k1Ca-k2Cb
dCb/(k1Ca-k2Cb)=dt
Now integrate.
ln(k1Ca-k2Cb)=t
You have integrated incorrectly- you should have
[tex]-\frac{1}{k}ln(k_1C_a- k_1C_b) = t[/tex]

(k1Ca-k2Cb) = et
[tex]k_1C_a- k_1C_b= e^{-kt}[/tex]

Rearranging
k2Cb=-et +k1Ca
Cb= -et +k1Ca/k2
 

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