How do I map a celestial object's declination ?

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The discussion revolves around the mapping of a celestial object's declination to its altitude on the local horizon, considering the effects of Earth's movement and the observer's latitude. Participants explore the relationship between declination, right ascension, and local meridian positioning at various times of the year.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that an object's declination is relatively fixed, while its altitude varies seasonally due to Earth's movement.
  • It is proposed that stars with a declination greater than 90 minus the observer's latitude are visible year-round, categorizing them as circumpolar stars.
  • One participant describes the projection of latitude circles into the sky, explaining how declination circles correspond to these latitudes and how they affect maximum elevation based on the observer's latitude.
  • Another participant questions the altitude calculation for a specific celestial object (NGC 4594) based on its declination and right ascension, suggesting a calculated altitude of ~38 degrees.
  • A correction is made regarding the maximum elevation for the celestial object, indicating it is actually 31.1 degrees, which is less than the previously mentioned altitude.
  • Participants discuss the use of local sidereal time for determining when a celestial object appears on the local meridian and inquire about equations for estimating local sidereal time from local standard time.
  • One participant provides a formula for calculating mean sidereal time at Greenwich and how to convert it to local mean sidereal time based on longitude.
  • Further clarification is provided on the calculation of Julian dates and their relation to mean sidereal time calculations.

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Participants express differing views on the calculations related to celestial object altitudes and the use of sidereal time, indicating that the discussion includes multiple competing perspectives and remains unresolved on certain points.

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Some calculations depend on specific assumptions about the observer's longitude and the accuracy of the formulas provided, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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to my local meridian at various times of the year. An object's declination will be fixed - relatively speaking - but its altitude on my local horizon varies from season to season because of Earth's movement, doesn't it?
Also, if I'm at a lat. 47.3 N shouldn't celestial objects w/dec. of -{90 - (Lat. + 22.5*)} be, at some given time, on my local horizon?
 
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Yes, only stars with a declination greater than 90-lat are visible all year = circumpolar stars
 
jbowers9 said:
to my local meridian at various times of the year. An object's declination will be fixed - relatively speaking - but its altitude on my local horizon varies from season to season because of Earth's movement, doesn't it?

You can imagine that circles of equal latitude is projected into the sky and become circles of equal declination. The great circle of equator, for instance, corresponds to the great circle in the sky with declination zero; the small circle of latitude 45 north corresponds to the small circle with declination +45. So if you are a latitude 45 north, the circle of declination +45 will pass through your zenith (directly overhead), the zero declination circle (equator) will be at maximum elevation of 90-latitude+declination = 90+45+0 = 45 deg directly south (at the local meridian), and the -45 declination circle with just touch your horizon from below at elevation 90-45+(-45) = 0 deg. As you can see, each circle for a fixed declination remain fixed in your sky at all times at a maximum elevation determined by your latitude.

An object with a certain declination and right ascension will now be at a certain point on its declination circle in the sky and so from your point of view it will describe a full traversal of that declination circle in the course of a single sidereal day. Since we measure the length of our day as solar day which are a bit longer than the sidereal day, each solar day the object will describe a full circle plus a tiny bit more so that after a full year all the tiny extra bits add up to a full circle and we can start all over again. It is this difference in solar and sidereal day that makes an object with a fixed RA and declination to culminate at different times during a year.

So, to map a celestial object to the instantaneous elevation at your latitude you would need to know both RA and declination (and time), but if you are only interested in the maximum elevation then that is given as mentioned above (i.e. 90-latitude+declination).

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Also, if I'm at a lat. 47.3 N shouldn't celestial objects w/dec. of -{90 - (Lat. + 22.5*)} be, at some given time, on my local horizon?

At a given latitude, objects with a declination of latitude-90 or above will have elevation at zero or more during the year. Note this has nothing to do with the ecliptic.
 
OK. I'm a little fuzzy about the plane of the "elliptic" and the celestial equator, but, if I calculated correctly, NGC 4594 RA12h39m Dec-11*37' should be @ ~38 alt. due south @ ~13.30pm EST for Lat. 47.3N. Right?
 
No, because the maximum elevation for a celestial object at that declination is 90-47.3+(-11.6) = 31,1 deg which is less than the 38 deg you mention.

Normally one would in practice use an astronomy program, spread sheet or similar to transform equatorial coordinates RA and Dec into horizontal coordinates elevation and altzimuth for a given geographic latitude and longitude and time. You would also normally need to know the longitude of the observer to make this transformation (I assume you do know that and just forgot to include it in your post).
 
Right; the ~38* was an arithmatic error. But to calculate the time the object appears on my local meridian, I used the local sidereal time for my longitude. Is this correct? Also, is there an equation to calculate an estimate of your LST from your local standard time?
 
Montenbruck [1] gives the mean sidereal time at Greenwich in hours as

GMST = 6.656306 + 0.0657098242 * (JD0 - 2445700.5) + 1.0027379093 * UT

where JD0 is the Julian date for the date in question at 0 UT and UT is universal time in hours (which is within 0.9 sec of UTC). Once you have GMST you can get the local mean sidereal time in hours as

LMST = GMST - longitude * (1 h / 15 deg).

If you want more precision, Montenbruck gives a higher order approximation in [2]. Unfortunately he does not seem to quote the accuracy of the two approximations (the one above and the one in [2]) so it can't tell you how accurate they are. If you do not require any particular accuracy, approximations like that on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_time will probably be sufficient.[1] Practical Ephemeris Calculations, Montenbruck, Springer 1989.
[2] Astronomy on the Personal Computer 4th, Montenbruck, Pfleger, Springer 2000.
 
Let me emphasise, that JD0 is the Julian date for the same date, but at 0 UT. Thus, if you have an arbitrary Julian date JD you can get JD0 by using a calculation like JD0 = floor(JD-0.5)+0.5. Alternatively you can insert the above rounding into the original formula and get

GMST = 6.656306 + 0.0657098242 * floor(JD - 2445700.5) + 1.0027379093 * UT
 
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