How do I minimize a function with a constraint using Lagrange-Euler method?

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The discussion revolves around minimizing a functional using the Lagrange-Euler method while imposing a constraint on the functional. Participants explore the notation and the implications of constraints in the context of calculus of variations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Farshad expresses confusion about how to impose a constraint on a functional while minimizing it using the Lagrange-Euler method.
  • Another participant clarifies the notation, suggesting that J(f) is a linear functional defined by an integral, and that the goal is to minimize J over functions satisfying a specific constraint.
  • Farshad reiterates that F(x,f(x)) is a functional, not merely a function, and emphasizes the need for guidance on handling constraints.
  • A participant points out that in the calculus of variations, the expression for the functional should be treated correctly, distinguishing between functions and functionals.
  • Farshad acknowledges that F(f) is a real number but notes that x may sometimes be included in the functional.
  • Another participant suggests looking at specific literature that addresses the treatment of constraints in functionals, referencing a PDF and examples like the isoperimetric problem.
  • One participant provides a more detailed explanation of how to approach the problem using an extremum condition and introduces the concept of a constant λ in the context of functionals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the distinction between functions and functionals, but there remains uncertainty about the correct approach to incorporating constraints into the minimization process. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the method to apply.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the clarity of notation and the specific mathematical steps required to incorporate constraints into the minimization of functionals. Some assumptions about the nature of the functionals and constraints are not fully articulated.

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I am working on a functional and I need to find its minimum, the conventional procedure is to use Lagrange-Euler method and find the minimum state of the function, but if I need to impose a constraint to the function, I don't know what I need to do

J=int(F(t, f(t), a, b)) minimize(f) and int(G(t, f(t), a, b))=M,
It should be very elementary, but I am confused about what I need to do.

Your help will be very appreciated.
Farshad
 
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I don't understand your notation. See if I've guess the problem correctly:

J(f) is a linear functional defined by J(f) = \int_a^b F(x,f(x)) dx where F(x,y) is a given function of two variables. We wish to find the minimum value of J over all functions f that satisfy \int_a^b G(t,f(t)) = M where M is a given constant and G(x,y) is a given function of two variables.
 
All true but F(x,f(x)) is a functional not a function, which is mapping of a function to R. For minimization of the functional Euler-Lagrange is the conventional method, but when there is constraint (int(G(t,f(t),a,b)=M) I am not sure what should I do.

Farshad
 
fery said:
All true but F(x,f(x)) is a functional not a function,

Then I don't understand the notation F(x,f(x)). If F is a functional and f is a function then
F(f) is a real number correct? We don't need the argument 'x'.

For example, in the calculus of variations an arc length problem is to minimize the functional J given by
J[f] = \int_a^b \sqrt{1 + (f'(x))^2} dx
The expression \sqrt{1 + (f'(x))^2)} is a function not a functional.
 
I agree, the integrand does not return a number given a function. It returns an expression. You integrate and then you have a number.

You might look up the 'isoperimetric problem' which is an example, or 'variational problems with subsidiary conditions' more generally. Gelfand and Fomin's little book on the calculus of variations has a section on it.

that is, Given the functional:

<br /> J[y]=\int_a^b F(x,y,y&#039;)dx<br />
let the admissable curves satisfy the conditions:

<br /> y(a)=A,y(b)=B, K[y]=\int_a^b G(x,y,y&#039;)dx=M<br />

Where K[y] is another functional and let J[y] have an extremum for y=y(x). Then, if y=y(x) is not an extremal of K[y], there exists a constant \lambda such that y=y(x) is an extremal of the functional:

<br /> \int_a^b (F+\lambda G)dx<br />

That's from the text and probably is enough to get you started.
 

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