How do I solve: p(t)f''(t)+q(t)f'(t)=Kf(t) ?

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The discussion centers around solving the differential equation p(t)f''(t)+q(t)f'(t)=Kf(t), which arises from a physics problem involving periodic functions p(t) and q(t). Participants explore various methods to determine the values of the constant K and the behavior of the unknown function f(t).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using Fourier series to solve the equation, proposing a specific form for f(t) involving sine and cosine terms.
  • Another participant agrees with the Fourier series approach but recommends using the complex exponential form for clarity in calculations.
  • A different participant reformulates the equation as a linear homogeneous differential equation and questions the initial conditions relevant to the existence theorem.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about the connection to physics, implying that the discussion may be more mathematical than physical.
  • A later reply indicates that the Fourier series method leads to continuous domains of K for which solutions exist or do not exist, providing specific intervals for K.
  • Another participant notes that the stability of the system depends on the values of r_n, suggesting that certain ranges of K allow for stable or unstable solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the utility of Fourier series for approaching the problem, but there are differing opinions on the implications of the values of K and the nature of the solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact conditions under which solutions exist.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the periodic functions p(t) and q(t), as well as the initial conditions necessary for applying the existence theorem. The discussion does not resolve these aspects.

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How do I solve the equation: p(t)f''(t)+q(t)f'(t)=Kf(t) ?

I have the equation: p(t)f''(t)+q(t)f'(t)=Kf(t) that results from a problem of physics.
- p(t) and q(t) are two known periodical functions of period T
- f(t) is an unknown function
- K is an unknown constant

What I need is to determine all the possible values of these K constants with the intention of finding the real ones if they exists.
 
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Have you tried Fourier series like this?

[tex]f(t) = \sum {a_n cos(\frac{n\pi t}{T})+b_n sin(\frac{n\pi t}{T})[/tex]

Note that the fundamental frequency of the above series is half of that of p(t) and q(t).
 
simplex said:
How do I solve the equation: p(t)f''(t)+q(t)f'(t)=Kf(t) ?

I have the equation: p(t)f''(t)+q(t)f'(t)=Kf(t) that results from a problem of physics.
- p(t) and q(t) are two known periodical functions of period T
- f(t) is an unknown function
- K is an unknown constant

What I need is to determine all the possible values of these K constants with the intention of finding the real ones if they exists.

If we let y(t)=f(t) then your equation is a linear homogeneous DE.
p(t)y''+q(t)y' - Ky = 0.

But you are not particularly interested with the solution f(t), aren't you ?
The existence theorem may be useful here I think! What is the initial condition?
 
Out of curiousity, where's the physics? This is math.
 
flatmaster said:
I agree with wywrong in attempting a Fourier series solution. However, I would use the complex exponential form of the Sin and Cos to make your math cleaner.

Flatmaster is right. Complex exponential form is better. And I think whatever k's value is, there is a general solution of the form

[tex]f(t)=\sum{a_n e^{(r_n+in\omega)t}}[/tex]

where [tex]\omega=\pi/T[/tex].

For [tex]r_n<0[/tex], those components will die down. If there are [tex]r_n>0[/tex], the system will be unstable as those components will increase exponentially. For frequency components with [tex]r_n=0[/tex], they will be the steady state solutions. To be stable, k can assume a large range of values. To have steady state solutions, k can only assume discrete values. For those k's any slight change in k or p or q may render the system unstable, unless your system is non-linear beyond certain amplitude.

P.S. My username is wywong, not wywrong B:).
 
Thank you. Your idea with using Fourier series was good. Finally I investigated this method (reading documentation on the internet) and I come up with continuous domains of K for which the equality p(t)f''(t)+q(t)f'(t)=Kf(t) can take place.

For instance if:
K=[0 1] -> f(t) exists and it is not zero
K=(1 4] -> f(t) does not exists
K=(4-8] -> f(t) exists and it is not zero
 

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