How Do Neutrino Oscillations Relate to the Schrödinger Equation?

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The discussion revolves around neutrino oscillations and their relation to the Schrödinger equation, with a focus on understanding quantum states and Hamiltonians. The original poster seeks assistance with their final paper, expressing difficulty in applying quantum mechanics concepts to this specific problem.

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  • Participants discuss the Hamiltonian and its role in the problem, with one participant attempting to clarify their understanding of the wave function and its components. Questions arise regarding the application of the time-independent Schrödinger equation and the initial conditions for the coefficients involved in the wave function.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing hints and guidance without reaching a consensus. Some participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, while others are working through specific equations and conditions related to the Schrödinger equation.

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There are indications of missing information regarding the Hamiltonian, and participants are questioning the definitions and assumptions related to the components of the wave function. The original poster has also noted a potential typo in their assignment conditions.

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Hey,

I'm a high school student from Europe and my final paper is on Neutrino oscillations.

I practiced some basic quantum states(qbit), but i find it much harder for this neutrino problem.

I translated it in hope that some of you could give me some pointers. I left some parts of the theory(not needed to solve eq's) out so hope it is still clear.

I ATTACHED IT!

I hope someone can help,

thanx

jenny
 

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Hi Jenny!

Could you please post the Hamiltionian you are studying?

Also, what have you worked out up now ("The attempt at a solution")?
 
Hey drClaude,

There is given that we start with an statonairy eigenstate of the Hamiltonian,

H|v1} = E1|v1}

I will try to scan in how i tried the problem
 
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for a: this is what i have so far(attachment)

and then i would fill in a(0)=1

so,

1=a(t)*e^0=a(t)
a(t)=1
 

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jennyjones said:
Hey drClaude,

There is given that we start with an statonairy eigenstate of the Hamiltonian,

H|v1} = E1|v1}

I will try to scan in how i tried the problem

I see, you are not told what the Hamiltonian looks like!

Your start is good, although I don't see why you are considering that the wave function is a two-component vector.

To continue, you should use the initial condition for ##a##, and probably also the time-independent Schrödinger equation in the quote above.
 
Thanx! I'm not sure why i used the two component vector... but i see your point it;s unnecessary
as there is only one component

i don;t get tho what I'm suppost to do with the time-independent Schrödinger equation from the quote
 
jennyjones said:
i don;t get tho what I'm suppost to do with the time-independent Schrödinger equation from the quote
What is the right-hand-side of the time-dependent Schrödinger equation?
 
H|ψ(t)}?
is that equal to H|v1}

I don't get tho why i just can't say after i found a(t)=a_0 e^(-i(A/h_bar)t)
with the given condition condition a(0)=1

1=a*e^(0)=a

so a(t)=1

hmmm, maybe i have to take a better look at your hint before i keep asking questions

i will gve it an other go
 
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H|ψ(t)}?
is that equal to H|v1}
$$
i \hbar \frac{\partial | \psi(t) \rangle}{\partial t} = \hat{H} \psi(t) = \hat{H}( a(t) | \nu_1 \rangle) = a(t) \hat{H}| \nu_1 \rangle
$$

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I don't get tho why i just can't say after i found a(t)=a_0 e^(-i(A/h_bar)t)
with the given condition condition a(0)=1
You have two unknowns in there that need to be determined, ##a_0## and ##A##. This is done using the equation I just wrote above and the condition that ##a(0) = 1##.
 
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thanx DrClaude,

i'm going to give it another try!
 
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this is what i have so far
 

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Great, you have solved the first part:
$$
a(t) =e^{-i E_1 t / \hbar}
$$
You can move on to B.
 
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YEY! thanx
 
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is it ok if i used the norming conditing to solve b?
 

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no longer upside down
 

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jennyjones said:
is it ok if i used the norming conditing to solve b?
I think you have to.

In part B, it is not clear what ##\alpha## and ##\beta## are. I know what you mean, but I don't think it is a rigourous way of solving the problem. You should start by the definition of the probability of finding the system in a given state.

I will have a look at part C later.
 
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I see what you mean with alpha and beta

thanx!
 
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I think i solve c, or almost solved c

the thing I'm a bit worried about is that in my answer i get a -sin(alpha)

Btw i mistyped the assignment of c, the condition is |ψ(0)} = |v(μ)}
(instead of |ψ(0)} = |v(e)})
 

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