How Do Virtual Photons Influence the Range of Electromagnetic Interactions?

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The discussion revolves around the role of virtual photons in electromagnetic interactions, particularly focusing on their influence on the range of these interactions. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, mathematical formulations, and conceptual clarifications related to virtual particles in quantum electrodynamics (QED).

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe electromagnetism in terms of virtual photons and propose that the range of interactions can be expressed as c.t = hbar / E, where E is the energy of the virtual particle.
  • There is a suggestion that long-range electromagnetic interactions may be explained by the virtual photon being produced with a low enough frequency to cover the necessary distance, raising questions about the nature of the virtual photon's "knowledge" of its travel distance.
  • Others argue that virtual photons are purely mathematical constructs rather than physical particles, emphasizing that they serve as rules for integrating over allowed intermediate particle states in Feynman diagrams.
  • One participant notes that the propagator of a massless particle leads to a long-range Coulomb potential, highlighting the mathematical basis for this phenomenon.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of different gauges in QED, with some asserting that the virtual particles are fluctuations on top of a static potential, indicating that the concept of a "virtual particle" lacks a unique definition.
  • Concerns are raised about the terminology of "virtual particles" in path-integral formulations, suggesting that it can lead to confusion in scientific discourse.
  • A participant shares their experience in a QFT course, noting the clarity gained from deriving Feynman diagrams in the Coulomb gauge, and emphasizes the distinction between internal and external lines in these diagrams.
  • It is mentioned that while Feynman diagrams were initially created for bookkeeping purposes, the current approach often prioritizes visual representation over the underlying mathematics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation and implications of virtual photons, with no consensus reached on their physicality or the clarity of terminology used in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of virtual particles in QED, including the dependence on gauge choices and the mathematical nature of propagators, which may not be fully resolved within the conversation.

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In a particle physics formalism, electromagnetism can be described in terms of interchange of virtual photons.

The range is then c.t = hbar / E

with t the lifetime, and E the energy of the virtual particle.

What is the argument then, for long range EM interactions, in terms of E?
Is it that the photon is simply produced with low enough frequency to cover the necessary distance? To me, this implies that the virtual photon "knows" how far it must travel, before it does so.
 
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lilphil1989 said:
In a particle physics formalism, electromagnetism can be described in terms of interchange of virtual photons.

The range is then c.t = hbar / E

with t the lifetime, and E the energy of the virtual particle.

What is the argument then, for long range EM interactions, in terms of E?
Is it that the photon is simply produced with low enough frequency to cover the necessary distance? To me, this implies that the virtual photon "knows" how far it must travel, before it does so.

The virtual photon is not a physical particle that is emitted in order to be absorbed one light year away; it is a purely mathematical concept. In terms of Feynman diagrams it is a rule how to integrate over all allowed intermediate particle states including states off-mass-shell.

In the language of Feynman diagrams a propagator of a massless particle ~1/k2 has a Fourier transform 1/rD-2 for spatial dimension D=3, 4, ...; this is the mathematical reason for the long-range Coulom potential.

If you chose a different gauge in QED (a physical gauge like the Coulomb gauge or the axial gauge) you find the Coulomb potential ~1/r directly in the interaction Hamiltonian; the virtual particles are fluctuations on top of a static potential; this shows that a "virtual particle" is by no means uniquely defined.
 
This is a good reason to not call these elements of path-integral formulation virtual particles. The confusion which often results is so contrary to scientific endeavor.
 
In my course in QFT we first derived very simple Feynman diagrams in QED in the Coulomb gauge. The benefit is that you see both, the Coulomb potential and the propagators close to each other. It's more difficult than the radiation gauge but it makes very clear that the propagator is only a mathematical artefact.

If you simply take Feynman rules and diagrams w/o doing the calculation you never see the difference between an internal line and an external line; both look identical, but mathematical they are totally different entities. The external lines are somehow gauge-invariant physical entities, whereas an internal line is a gauge-dependent and therefore unphysical rule how to calculate things. As soon as you do the calculation you immediately see that external lines are something like asymptotic states (= particles) whereas internal lines are just mathematical expressions, namely certain integrals over 4d p-space.

Feynman invented his diagrams just for book-keeping; afaik the integrals existed prior to the invetion of the diagrams. Today it's the other way round; people first see the diagrams w/ knowing the math behind them.
 

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