How Do You Balance the Redox Reaction Involving C2H5OH and I3-?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around balancing the redox reaction involving ethanol (C2H5OH) and triiodide (I3-), specifically in an acidic solution. Participants explore various methods to approach the balancing of this reaction, including the identification of half-reactions and oxidation states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how carbon in ethanol combines with iodine in iodoform (CHI3).
  • Another participant suggests that understanding oxidation numbers and electronegativity is crucial for balancing redox reactions.
  • Several participants mention the difficulty of balancing this specific reaction, indicating it may involve multiple redox processes.
  • One participant proposes splitting the reaction into two separate half-reactions but struggles to find a successful approach.
  • A later reply indicates that the reaction cannot be balanced in a unique way, as it represents the sum of two separate reactions that can be balanced individually.
  • Another participant confirms the existence of infinite solutions to the balancing problem, highlighting the complexity of the reaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the reaction is complex and cannot be uniquely balanced, with multiple competing views on how to approach the balancing process. There is no consensus on a definitive method or solution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of oxidation states and the potential for multiple redox reactions, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific balancing of the equation.

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Homework Statement



C2H5OH(aq) + I3-(aq) → I-(aq) + CO2(g) + CHO2-(aq) + CHI3(aq)

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I am stuck on how to get C to combine with I in CHI3. Thanks.
 
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You mean in terms of oxidation numbers? Which is more electronegative - carbon, or iodine?
 
I am trying to balance it in acidic solution. Sorry I forgot to add that. I do not know which is more electronegative. We haven't learned that.
 
Please elaborate then on what your problem is - I don't understand what you mean by "how to get C to combine with I". Show - step by step - how you approach the problem.
 
To be able to solve the problems of redox balancing, you need to know at least two things:

1.) Some prefixed rules in determining the oxidation number of some select few elements.

2.) Oxidation states and most stable oxidation states of various elements.

If you know these two things, balancing is an easy affair.
 
Most redox problems are easy... But this one is different. I solved every other one with no problem but I'm not sure how to do the half reactions for this one.
 
Can you see the structure of CHI3 - Iodoform. You can then apply the rules you may have learned to determine the oxidation number on C.
 
How should I split the half reactions?
 
HINT: Both half reactions uses Ethanol at reactant side.

HINT: Can you break this question into two different redox reactions? I am pretty sure there are multiple redox reactions going on. (Why?)
 
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Thank you. I'll try that.
 
  • #11
AGNuke is right - this reaction can't be balanced in an unambiguous way.
 
  • #12
I tried splitting this into:
C2H5OH + I3- > CO2 +I-
C2H5OH + I3- > CHO2- + CHI3

That didn't work, so I tried:

C2H5OH + I3- > CO2 + CHI3
C2H5OH + I3- > CHO2- + I-

I also couldn't solve it like this. Could someone show me what my half-reactions should be and I am sure I can take it from there. Thanks
 
  • #13
CHO2- = Formate ion?

From what I tried, this equation can't be solved. I tried very hard but I can't solve it.
 
  • #14
So have I. I also believe it can't be solved but it's in my textbook. I don't know what else to do.
 
  • #15
Is this is written CHO2- or CHO2-?
 
  • #16
It can't be balanced because it is in fact sum of two reactions, each can be balanced separately:

2C2H5OH + 9I3- -> 18I- + CO2 + 3CHI3 + 9H+

2C2H5OH + 8I3- -> 15I- + HCOO- + 3CHI3 + 8H+

Now, you can add them side by side:

4C2H5OH + 17I3- -> 33I- + CO2 + HCOO- + 6CHI3 + 17H+

Technically this is a balanced reaction, but this approach doesn't yield unique equation, as any linear combination of these reactions will still look balanced, for example:

136C2H5OH + 595I3- -> 1173I- + 51CO2 + 17HCOO- + 204CHI3 + 595H+

but no real mixture will follow this stoichiometry.
 
  • #17
Ah. Infinite solutions. I made a silly mistake in determining the equation no. 1. XD
 
  • #18
I will post the equation in a different format to avoid confusion:


C2H5OH(aq) + I3-(aq) → I-(aq) + CO2(g) + CHO2-(aq) + CHI3(aq)
 
  • #19
cleared Borek! Couldn't see this up
 

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