How Do You Find the Integrating Factor for This Equation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the integrating factor for a differential equation of the form (y²x + y)dx + (x²y + 2x)dy = 0. Participants explore various methods and approaches to determine the integrating factor, which is suggested to be a function of the product xy.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially presents the equation with a potential typo, noting the integrating factor should be a function of xy.
  • Another participant suggests multiplying the equation by u(xy) and deriving conditions for exactness, leading to a differential equation for u.
  • A later reply indicates that the suggested method did not yield a solution, and the participant attempted a more general form of xmyn, but found inconsistencies in the resulting equations.
  • One participant supports the previous advice, recommending the use of the chain rule and simplification to arrive at a separable differential equation.
  • Another participant questions the rationale behind switching from the xy function to the xmyn form, seeking clarification on the assumptions regarding the integrating factor.
  • A subsequent reply acknowledges the previous method's success while justifying the exploration of the xmyn form for determining powers of x and y.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the approach to finding the integrating factor, with some supporting the function of xy and others exploring the xmyn form. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective method to determine the integrating factor.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations related to the assumptions made about the form of the integrating factor, as well as the potential for typos in the original equation. The discussion reflects uncertainty in the solvability of the proposed differential equations.

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Hi ok so te question is asking for me to fin the integrating factor of (y2x+y)dy + (x2y+2x)dy = 0 the only thing i know is that the integrating factor should be a function of xy

Can some one pleas explain how to do this? Thank you.
 
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You appear to have mistyped your problem. There 2 "dy"s here but no "dx".
 
Happydog said:
Hi ok so te question is asking for me to fin the integrating factor of (y2x+y)dy + (x2y+2x)dy = 0 the only thing i know is that the integrating factor should be a function of xy

Can some one pleas explain how to do this? Thank you.
Assuming that you mean (y^2x+ y)dx+ (x^2y+ 2x)dy= 0, if you know that the integrating factor is a function of xy, the obvious thing to do is to put multiply that equation by u(xy) and see what happens. In order that u(xy)(y^2x+ y)dx+ u(xy)(x^2y+ 2x)dy= 0 be exact, we must have (u(y^2x+ y))_y and (u(x^2y+ 2x)_x) equal. That is, u_x(y^2x+ y)+ u(2xy+1)= u_x(x^2y+ 2x)+ u(2xy+ 2). Since u is a function of xy specifically, u_x= yu' and u_y= xu'. That is, u must satisfy xu(y^2x+ y)+ u(2xy+1)= yu'(x^2y+ 2x)+ u(2xy+ 2). That gives you a differential equation for u which may or may not be solvable, depending upon whether there really is an integrating factor that is a function of xy only.
 
Yes the original equation is (y2x+y)dx + (x2y+2x)dy = 0, i have taken your sugestion but it did not work, i tryed a more general form of xnym and multiplied it through to see if i could solve for the n and m and equate the two of them but the two are not equal i end up getting (m+2)=(n+2) and (m+1)=2(n+1).

so can anyone also give me some advice on how to solve this problem i am having. Thank you.
 
I think HallsofIvy's advice is spot on. Equate the two derivatives after differentiating the product of u and the expression preceding the dx and dy. Use the chain rule when differentiating u(xy) with respect to x and y only by denoting product xy as v. Simplify the resulting equation and you'll notice it reduces to a simple separable differential equation. Solve that and express u in terms of x,y only and you're done. I tried it out and it works like a charm.
 
Happydog said:
Yes the original equation is (y2x+y)dx + (x2y+2x)dy = 0, i have taken your sugestion but it did not work, i tryed a more general form of xnym and multiplied it through to see if i could solve for the n and m and equate the two of them but the two are not equal i end up getting (m+2)=(n+2) and (m+1)=2(n+1).

so can anyone also give me some advice on how to solve this problem i am having. Thank you.
You told us, originally, that the integrating factor was a function of xy. Why are you now trying xmyn? How do you know the integrating factor is either a function of xy or of the form xmyn?
 
Yeah it did work sorry about that, and as for havening it as xmyn other times you can use it to find out what power the x and y are to making it easer. mind you you have to know xy are the integrating factor.
 

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