How Do You Simplify Oxidation-Reduction Reactions?

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The discussion revolves around the simplification of oxidation-reduction reactions, specifically focusing on the reaction involving Na2Cr2O7, HNO3, and Na2SO3. Participants explore the identification of oxidized and reduced species, the elimination of certain ions, and the assignment of charges in the context of redox reactions.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the simplification process in redox reactions, particularly regarding the elimination of Na2 and NO3 from the overall equation.
  • Another participant questions the validity of separating polyatomic ions from main elements in redox reactions and whether this approach is applicable to other reactions.
  • A suggestion is made to write each compound as a sum of its ionic species, indicating that ions which do not change oxidation states can be disregarded.
  • Clarification is sought on what is meant by "ionic" species and the importance of including charges on all species in the reaction.
  • One participant begins to understand the process of assigning oxidation states and the treatment of polyatomic ions, noting that they should remain intact during simplification.
  • A hypothetical example is presented regarding the oxidation of iodine and reduction of nitrogen, raising questions about the treatment of oxygen in such reactions.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the simplification process, with some agreeing on the need to keep polyatomic ions intact while others question the methodology. No consensus is reached on the rules for eliminating ions or the treatment of oxygen in reactions.

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Participants highlight the need for clarity on the rules governing the elimination of ions and the assignment of charges, indicating that assumptions about these processes may vary. There is also uncertainty regarding the treatment of oxygen in redox reactions.

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Hello,

Can someone please explain to me something here please? In this oxidation problem

Na2Cr2O7 + HNO3 + Na2SO3 yields NaNO3 + Cr(NO3)3 + Na2SO4 + H2O

I know S is Oxidized and Cr is Reduced. However, when I look at the solution set, I am get completely confused.

They are putting

SO3^2- yields SO4^2- for oxidation and for reduction they have Cr2O7^2- yields 2 Cr ^ 3+.

I understand how to get what is Oxidized and what is reduced.

However, I am having trouble knowing what to eliminate. How can they just get read of the Na2 in the first one and (NO3)3 in the second one? Is there some sort of rule that tells you what you can get rid of? Also, once they do get rid of half of the original ion, how do they assign the charge? Is the charge just the polyatomic charge of sulfite and sulfate?

Thanks in advance
 
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open second review, it seems that they separated polyatomic ions from the main elements. is this possible? and would you follow this step for other ox redox reactions?
 
Write down each compound as a sum of its "ionic" species (example: Na_2Cr_2O_7 = 2Na^+ + Cr_2O_7^{2-}). Then you just throw away all the ions that do not change their oxidation states (example: Na^+, NO_3^-, H^+).
 
So would this turn out to be:

2 Na + Cr2O7^2- + H + NO3 2- + 2 Na + SO3 ^ 2- yields Na + NO3 + Cr(NO3)3 + 2 NA + SO4 ^ 3 + H2O

and when you refer to "ionic" species, what are you referring to exactly?

Thanks for the help
 
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I mean that you have to include the charges on all species.

Na and H should both have a charge of 1+ (or simply +). Also, the charge on the nitrate ion (NO3) is 1-, not 2-.

And finally, you have yet to split up Cr(NO3)3 into its parts.
 
I think I am beginning to understand this now.

1. Assign ox states, see what is oxidized and what is reduced.

2. "Split the elements", but if it is a polyatomic ion, you keep that together.

In this problem, you would split

Na2Cr2O7 into 2Na^+1 + 2Cr^6 + 7O^-2.

Then you would split HNO3 into H^+1 + NO3^-1.

Disregarding this problem, should you also keep all Oxygen's next to an element?

For Instance:

I2 + HNO3 -------> NaIO3 + NO3

I is oxidized and N is reduced.

would the equation for I be I2 ---------> I03

and for N be NO3^1 ---------> Na^+1.

Thanks in advance
 

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