How Do You Simplify This Partial Fraction Equation?

[snowJT]

if you have

$$\frac{3s + 1}{(s+2)^2 + 4^2}$$

does it become...

$$3s + 1 = \frac{A}{(s+2)} + \frac{B}{(s+2)^2} + \frac{C}{4} + \frac{D}{4^2}$$

or...

$$3s + 1 = \frac{A}{(s+2)} + \frac{B}{(s+2)^2} + \frac{C}{4^2}$$

 

[arildno]

What is the difference between a FACTOR, and a TERM?

 

[snowJT]

no idea? I take it your saying its just $$\frac{C}{4^2}$$

Edit: oh nvm, you just ignore the part after B.. then add it in later...

 

[Dan 1st]

$$3s + 1 = \frac{A}{(s+2)} + \frac{B}{(s+2)^2} + \frac{C}{4} + \frac{D}{4^2}$$

seems the more logic answer to me ; but I personally have not yet studies partial fractions . If , underneath you have :
(s+2)² + 4²
, then why would it not be A divided by (s+2) + B divided by (s+2) instead of B being divided by (s+2)² ?

thought Like I said, I have not yet learned these. If anybody can correct me , as I'm probably wrong , it would be appreciated of course.

 

[Gib Z]

Partial Fractions Only work like that on FACTORS of the denominator. Is 4 a factor or just a term?

 

[mathPimpDaddy]

if you have

$$\frac{3s + 1}{(s+2)^2 + 4^2}$$

does it become...

$$3s + 1 = \frac{A}{(s+2)} + \frac{B}{(s+2)^2} + \frac{C}{4} + \frac{D}{4^2}$$

or...

$$3s + 1 = \frac{A}{(s+2)} + \frac{B}{(s+2)^2} + \frac{C}{4^2}$$

Looks to me like a Lapace Transform. No partial fractions required, split them and do some algebra work and you shell get your transforms. Yeah, definitely a Lapace Transform, hey If you need any help, you are welcome to pm me, I can help you out. I saw your recent threads, that give me alittle clue. Here is a big hint, there will be a cosine and a sine answer.

 

[robert Ihnot]

This has an interesting solution which comes from splitting (s+2)^2+4^2 into imaginary parts. However we then have a new term in i, so that we need three equations to solve (for the numerical value, for the value in s and for the value in i):

$$\frac{3s+1}{(s+2)^2+4^2}=\frac{A}{s+2+4i}+\frac{B}{s+2-4i}+\frac{C}{(s+2)^2+4^2}$$

Then cross multiplying on the first two terms and adding the third gives:
A(s+2-4i)+B(s+2+4i)+C=3s+1. Giving A=B=3/2, C=-5.

Now should this be done in order to facilate integration, since A and B are the same, by cross multiplying the first two terms, we can eliminate the i term and are left with:

$$\frac{3(s+2)}{(s+2)^2+4^2}-\frac{5}{(s+2)^2+4^2}$$ So that integration is easy to perform, the first resulting in a log form and the second ,with the substitution 4u=s+2, in an arctangent form:

(3/2)In(s+2)^2+4^2) -(5/4)arctangent((s+2)/4)

Of course for integration it is now clear the only form needed is: $$\frac{3(s+2)}{(s+2)^2+4^2}-\frac{5}{(s+2)^2+4^2}$$

 

[Gib Z]

Umm Tiny error robert, (s+2)^2 + 4^2 factors into (s+2+2i)(s+2-2i). And Why did you put the 3rd fraction?

 

[mathPimpDaddy]

My bad, I didn't mean separate them into two equations. I mean split them and use the Lapace Transform identity of sine and cosine functions.

 

[Gib Z]

Ahh actually I see Why We need the C, because I tried it without that and It turned out 3 had to equal 1/2, So i needed a constant term..Let me do it one second

 

[mathPimpDaddy]

why go through all that robert? you can do it so much quicker by separation?

 

[Gib Z]

$$\frac{3s+1}{(s+2)^2+4^2}=\frac{A}{s+2+4i}+\frac{B} {s+2-4i}+\frac{C}{(s+2)^2+4^2}$$

Cross multiply, equate co efficents.

$$3s+1 = (A+B)s + (2A+2B + C) + (4B-4A)i$$

A+B=3
2A+2B + C =1
Since there are no imaginary terms in 3s+1, 4B-4A = 0.

Since 4B-4A=0, B=A. But A+B=3, A=B=1.5
Putting those values is to 2A+2B+C=1 gives C= -5.

$$\frac{3s+1}{(s+2)^2+4^2}=\frac{3}{2(s+2+4i)}+\frac{3} {2(s+2-4i)}-\frac{5}{(s+2)^2+4^2}$$

 

[Gib Z]

Ok thanks for that, I just thought i could be treated like any other constant therefore didnt need any special treatment, but I see why I am wrong thanks.

 

[robert Ihnot]

mathPimpDaddy:why go through all that robert? you can do it so much quicker by separation?

I don't know, except the original question ask to find a partial fraction form. I am adding the assumption that this is for integration, since that is frequently the case.

 

[mathPimpDaddy]

I've checked his previous threads, they are all forms of laplace transforms. Look at his original form, doesn't it look familiar?

 

[euler_fan]

Personally, I avoid imaginary terms whenever possible, so factor the 3 out of the numerator and proceed with the common denominator.

$$3\(\frac{s+\frac{1}{3}} {(s+2)^2+4^2}\)$$

 

[trickae]

simple partial fractions help (warning complex analysis :P )

Homework Statement

the question can be ignored - it involves laplace and Z transforms of RLC ckts.

Vc(s) =          0.2
           -----------------
             s^2 + 0.2s + 1

find the partial fraction equivalent such that it is :

  -j(0.1005)     +    j (0.1005)
--------------    ------------------
s + 0.1-(0.995)    s + 0.1 + j(0.995)

Homework Equations

none

The Attempt at a Solution

      0.2                      A                     B
---------------  =  ---------------------  +  -------------------
s^2 + 0.25 + 1      s + (0.1 - j(0.995)))     s + (0.1 + j(0.995))

0.2 = A(s + 0.1 + j(0.995)) + B(s + (0.1 - j0.995))

0.2 = As + A(0.1 + j(0.995)) + Bs + B(0.1 - j0.995)

so As + Bs = 0
or (A + B) = 0
or A = -B
so
0.2 = j(0.995A) - j(0.995B)

somethings not right - if i evaluate this I don't get anywhere near the answer

 

[EugP]

if you have

$$\frac{3s + 1}{(s+2)^2 + 4^2}$$

does it become...

$$3s + 1 = \frac{A}{(s+2)} + \frac{B}{(s+2)^2} + \frac{C}{4} + \frac{D}{4^2}$$

or...

$$3s + 1 = \frac{A}{(s+2)} + \frac{B}{(s+2)^2} + \frac{C}{4^2}$$

The first one seems right, but I think you should simplify the denominator:

$$\frac{3s + 1}{s^2 + 2s + 4 + 16} = \frac{3s + 1}{s^2 + 2s + 20} = \frac{3s + 1}{(s + 1 + \sqrt{19}j)(s + 1 - \sqrt{19}j)}$$

So now you can do partial fractions:

$$\frac{3s + 1}{(s + 1 + \sqrt{19}j)(s + 1 - \sqrt{19}j)} = \frac{A}{(s + 1 + \sqrt{19}j)} + \frac{A^*}{(s + 1 - \sqrt{19}j)}$$

I'm going to assume you know how to solve for A and A* so i'll just post the answer that I got:

$$3.078e^{-t}cos(\sqrt{19}t - 0.225)$$