How Does Arm Length Affect Doppler Shift Measurement?

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Em Wave = LIGHT
Em Wave = RadioEquator

Source------L---------SensorHow big L we need use to register Doppler ?
I wan to measure 360/24h speed

Big Question ?!

single arm we have Doppler (RED ) [ more long arm ---> more deep RED ]

4 Arms and we have ZERO ?
how it works ? can You explain me this by math !?

Thank You for solve above problem
( i want to build singnle arm to measure 360/24h ) can I do this in Home ?
 
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redkiss said:
I wan to measure 360/24h speed
Speed of what relative to what?
Those sketches are not very clear.
 
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Good question ( we have signal / Earth and motion )
Earth is moving ?

we have ZERO SHIFT ?

source ------------------mirror

Mirror see the same COLOUR ?

FIRST please SOLVE ONE ARM
later please study Michelson Morley ZERO

We have Zero or Doppler ?

More Long Arm = More deep RED ?
OR
More Long Arm = More SURE ZERO ?
 
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redkiss said:
Earth is moving ?
Relative to what? There is no absolute motion.
redkiss said:
we have ZERO SHIFT ?
Of what relative to what?
redkiss said:
source ------------------mirror

Mirror see the same COLOUR ?
Mirrors don't see color. Same as what? If the distance between source and mirror does not change, and if the system is inertial, the source will see reflected light with the same color as the emitted light.
redkiss said:
More Long Arm = More deep RED
OR
More Long Arm = More SURE ZERO
That does not make sense at all.
 
"Mirrors don't see color. Same as what? If the distance between source and mirror does not change, and if the system is inertial, the source will see reflected light with the same color as the emitted light."

Please slowly Study right down CORNER ( on ilustration ) it is simple example ( not real data) but it schould learn You mehanism
http://images.tinypic.pl/i/00765/8g7j8biccn4d.jpg
 
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redkiss said:
"Mirrors don't see color. Same as what? If the distance between source and mirror does not change, and if the system is inertial, the source will see reflected light with the same color as the emitted light."

Please slowly Study right down CORNER ( on ilustration ) it is simple example ( not real data) but it schould learn You mehanism
http://images.tinypic.pl/i/00765/8g7j8biccn4d.jpg
Earth (s)------L---(m)

s- source
m - mirror/detector

How Deep RED see mirror
L=10m
L=200 m

speed 360 / 24h
 
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Are you asking what is the relativistic red shift starting from sea level at the equator and going vertically to an altitude of L?
 
Thank you very much for conversation
I'm not expert about Einstein I need strong helpI'm sorry IT IS POSSIBLE or NOT possible TO MEASURE RED ?

jpg A Person on moon SEE DOOPLER ?
Diagram comparing Earth and a huge planet: a light bulb and a camera-like figure on each, a red arrow labelled L between them, a red arrow labelled V1 pointing to a moon, and text reading I see doppler and I not see doppler.


jpg B Person on Big Planet See doppler ?
Two diagrams side by side: left shows a small planet with a moon on a green circular orbit around an yellow em source, with velocity V arrow and radius R; right shows a big planet with an em source offset from its centre, rotation arrow, and radius R to a moon.


jpg C we can change EM source position
Two side-by-side diagrams of a rotating setup: a green circle of radius R with a yellow em source at its centre, a purple observer on the rim, a green velocity arrow V tangent to the circle, and a marked offset X1 from the source.

AFTER WE CHAGE POSITION ( X1 )
PLESE LOOK BELOW ( WE HAVE DOPPLER or NOT ? observer 1 ,2,3,4,...?)

Diagram in CAD software showing two sets of concentric yellow circles labelled "em source" with green points o1 to o5, r1, r2, and labels V, R, X1 and o(n-1), with red arrows and the title "speed's vectors".
IT IS DOPLER RED or NOT ?
Left: grey circle labelled BIG PLANET with a yellow 'em source' point, an arrow labelled R, and an arrow labelled V. Right: dark diagram titled SIMPLE EXMPLE with concentric circles labelled Ø600000 and Ø300000, numbered points 1, 2, 3 and 1', 2', 3', and x1 and R marked below.
WHY I ASKING ABOUT ALL THIS QUESTIONS

( MY TARGET )
during test when I changing ARM ( I testing more long / more short arm ) I SEE RED !?
Please help me find why ?
Collage of three panels: a Michelson-Morley interferometer diagram with a long arm, a Doppler example with labelled velocities and frequencies, and a Doppler arrow illustration with the text 'Earth and SUN are moving in space we must register DOPPLER'.

I WANT TO USE MATHEMATICA and PROVE BELOW PROBLEMS
( thank You for help )

Four-panel diagram: top left and right show a mouse inside a glass ball with axes X, Y, Z, radius R, and force labels F1 = mV^2/R and F2 = mV^2/R; bottom left and right show engine piston cross-sections inside circles labelled 2ω and ω; right side has a photo of a woman smiling at a chocolate cake slice and an engine cutaway illustration.
I WANT TO DEVELOP ABOVE DOPPLER ?
FOR ATOM ( center-----electron )

I LIKE MR MACH ( Rmach )
Diagram comparing Rmach, the average dynamic center for the universe, with Earth and an atom with orbiting electrons, labeled F=mV^2/Rmach and ABSOLUTE DYNAMIC ASTRONOMY CLOCK, with a radiation warning symbol.
Diagram titled DYNAMIC ASTRONOMY TIME PROBLEM showing three observers on a planet at different positions: one older on the left with F2, one at the center on the planet with F1, and one younger on the right with F3, with the formula labels and velocity arrows.
Einstein and Above ? in my opinion for methabolism important is direction and speed
I wan to test more problems Each Colour = Force !
Diagram of a triangular prism dispersing a beam of white light into a rainbow spectrum, with three arrows labelled F1, F2 and F3 force beneath, and a small solar sail with a force arrow beside a Maxwell caption.


HOW BIG FORCE IS PUSHING MY BODY ? EARTH ?
HOW HEAVY I'm ? how to separate Q=mg and EM presure ?

Hand-drawn sketch and collage: a 1kg object on a plane labelled 0,001 mm above a Moon outline with text Fall Time; a solar sail photo labelled FORCE with Maxwell caption; Galileo 1600 tower with a red question mark and False label.


BULB ------------------------CAMERA

HOW big FORCE ( em preasure is pushing camera ? )

2011 Grover Swartzlander first began to examine a revolutionary concept in optical physics after studying the flight of a moth. He watched the animal use its wings to create lift, which led to flight. Swartzlander asked : Could light be used to create the same effect?

Diagram titled Michelson Morley aerodynamic edition showing a wing profile moving at 30 km/s to the left with light source C and force F1, and the same wing moving 30 km/s to the right with force F2, labelled ??? and F1 not equal to F2.


Screenshot of a YouTube video titled Underwater Bullets at 27,000fps showing a pistol firing a bullet underwater, creating a bubble trail and a deformed ballistic gelatin-like object.
Two-panel diagram: left shows a solar sail spacecraft with a FORCE arrow and caption about Maxwell's 1861-64 theory that light exerts pressure; right shows an electro-magnetic Pascal sphere with a bulb, energy label and units Joule/m3 = N/m2 = Pascal.


Diagram titled ELECTRO-MAGNETIC CAVITATION = GRAVITATION: a photo of a machine gun firing into water with a bullet trail and cavitation cloud, beside a sketch of a planet and an arrow marked motion, with labels for low pressure area, high pressure and energy space.
 
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I am sorry redkiss, this large amount of confusing images and small amount of confusing text is impossible to follow. I don't think that we can help here.

I think that the formula you want to use is either the last one in the section on "Time dilation due to gravitation and motion together" here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation#Time_dilation_due_to_gravitation_and_motion_together

Or the last equation here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_Doppler_effect#Accelerated_motion

Thread closed.
 
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