How Does Electrode Potential Change in a Mixed Ce4+ and Fe2+ Solution?

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The discussion centers on calculating the concentration of Ce4+ in a mixed solution of Ce4+ and Fe2+. The half-reactions provided are Ce4+ + e− → Ce3+ (E° = 1.72 V) and Fe3+ + e− → Fe2+ (E° = 0.771 V). The equilibrium constant (keq) for the reaction Ce4+ + Fe2+ ⇌ Ce3+ + Fe3+ is established at 1.1×10^16. Participants highlight the challenge of determining [Ce4+] using the quadratic formula, noting that the calculated potential of a platinum electrode in the solution is 0.767 V, which is not consistent with the initial concentration of Ce4+.

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1. Homework Statement

Given the following half-reactions:
Ce4+ + e− → Ce3+ E° = 1.72 V
Fe3+ + e− → Fe2+ E° = 0.771 V

A solution is prepared by mixing 7.0 mL of 0.30 M Fe2+ with 8.0 mL of 0.12 M Ce4+.

Calculate [Ce4+] in the solution.

I've got the potential of a platinum electrode dipped into the resulting, equilibrated, solution (relative to SHE) to be 0.767 V, and keq of 1.1×10^16 from this equation: Ce4+ + Fe2+ ⇌ Ce3+ + Fe3+.

How do you get [Ce4+]? Why isn't that the same as the concentration posted in the question?

Thanks!
 
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jkh4 said:
1. Homework Statement

Given the following half-reactions:
Ce4+ + e− → Ce3+ E° = 1.72 V
Fe3+ + e− → Fe2+ E° = 0.771 V

A solution is prepared by mixing 7.0 mL of 0.30 M Fe2+ with 8.0 mL of 0.12 M Ce4+.

Calculate [Ce4+] in the solution.

I've got the potential of a platinum electrode dipped into the resulting, equilibrated, solution (relative to SHE) to be 0.767 V, and keq of 1.1×10^16 from this equation: Ce4+ + Fe2+ ⇌ Ce3+ + Fe3+.

How do you get [Ce4+]? Why isn't that the same as the concentration posted in the question?

Thanks!

R)____Ce4+___ +_________ Fe2+___⇌___Ce3+___+_Fe3+
I) .008*.12/.015 ______.007*.3/.015______0_________0
C)_____-x _______________-x ___________x ________x
E) .008*.12/.015 -x ____.007*.3/.015 _____x ________x

k=\frac{x*x}{(\frac{0.008*0.12}{0.015}-x)(\frac{0.007*0.3}{0.015}-x)}
 
but since the k is such large number, [Ce4+] is going to be large too right?
 
jkh4 said:
but since the k is such large number, [Ce4+] is going to be large too right?
no it will be near 0. X represents Ce3+ concentration and that number minus x represent the Ce4+ Solve x using quadratic. Subtract from that number. Then Ce4+ ends being a pretty small number
 
so in this case, k is 1.1×10^16? cause when i try the quadratic on the internet quadratic solver, it says the answer is an imagary number...
 
i got the same problem too... i just cannot solve the quadratic equation
 
NotMrX said:
R)____Ce4+___ +_________ Fe2+___⇌___Ce3+___+_Fe3+
I) .008*.12/.015 ______.007*.3/.015______0_________0
C)_____-x _______________-x ___________x ________x
E) .008*.12/.015 -x ____.007*.3/.015 _____x ________x

k=\frac{x*x}{(\frac{0.008*0.12}{0.015}-x)(\frac{0.007*0.3}{0.015}-x)}

I used this method too, but i did not get the correct answer

after i found X, it is the [Ce3+], i subtract it from 0.008*0.12/0.015 which is the [Ce4+] at equilibrium
my answer was very close to 0...around 10^-8
why am i not getting the right answer
 
Can anyone explain how did this person get potential of a platinum electrode?
 

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