How Does Fossil Fuel Combustion Impact Atmospheric CO2 Concentration Annually?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the impact of fossil fuel combustion on atmospheric CO2 concentration, focusing on calculations related to the mass of CO2 produced annually and the percentage increase in atmospheric concentration. Participants engage in a homework problem that involves theoretical and mathematical reasoning about atmospheric properties and gas concentrations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the mass of CO2 produced from fossil fuel combustion and attempts to determine the percentage increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration.
  • Another participant questions the conversion of ppm to g/m3, suggesting that the initial assumption of 368 g/m3 may be incorrect.
  • Some participants discuss the conversion of ppm to mass, with references to density and volume, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the relationship between these units.
  • There is a suggestion that the volume calculation for the atmosphere may need to be revised to achieve accurate results.
  • One participant provides a formula for density and attempts to calculate the new concentration of CO2 but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their approach.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption regarding the volume occupied by CO2 based on ppm values, indicating a need for clarity in the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conversion of ppm to mass and the calculations involved in determining the increase in CO2 concentration. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing interpretations of the calculations and assumptions presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the density of air and the conversion factors used in the calculations. The discussion highlights the complexity of accurately determining atmospheric concentrations based on varying definitions and units.

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Homework Statement


The world burns approximately 3.8 x 1012 kg of fossil fuel per year.

1. Use the combustion of octane as the representative reaction and determine the mass of carbon dioxide (the most significant greenhouse gas) formed per year.

2. The current concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is approximately 368 ppm (by volume). By what percentage does the concentration increase each year due to fossil fuel combustion? Approximate the average properties of the entire atmosphere by assuming that the atmosphere extends from sea level to 15 km and that it has an average pressure of 381 torr and average temperature of 275 K. Assume Earth is a perfect sphere with a radius of 6371 km.

Homework Equations


Volume of a sphere = (4/3)π(r3)
Percent change = (new - old)/old * 100

The Attempt at a Solution


I already calculated #1.
1. 1.2 x 10^6 g

2. Vatm = Vearth+atmosphere - Vearth
Vatm = (4/3)π(63863 - 63713) = 7.66899 x 109 km3 = 7.66899 x 1018 m3

368 ppm = 368 g/m3

Using mass obtained from #1, and finding concentration of the increase in CO2:
1.2 x 1016g/7.66899 x 1018 m3 = 0.001564743 g/m3

New concentration = 368 + 0.001564743
Percent change = (new-old)/old * 100 = 0.00042519%

So the answer is 0.42%, and it seems that the way to achieve this is to have the Vatm = 7.66899 x 1015 m3 rather than 7.66899 x 1018 m3. Is there an error in my volume calculation that I am not catching?
 
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henry3369 said:

Homework Statement


The world burns approximately 3.8 x 1012 kg of fossil fuel per year.

1. Use the combustion of octane as the representative reaction and determine the mass of carbon dioxide (the most significant greenhouse gas) formed per year.

2. The current concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is approximately 368 ppm (by volume). By what percentage does the concentration increase each year due to fossil fuel combustion? Approximate the average properties of the entire atmosphere by assuming that the atmosphere extends from sea level to 15 km and that it has an average pressure of 381 torr and average temperature of 275 K. Assume Earth is a perfect sphere with a radius of 6371 km.

Homework Equations


Volume of a sphere = (4/3)π(r3)
Percent change = (new - old)/old * 100

The Attempt at a Solution


I already calculated #1.
1. 1.2 x 10^6 g

2. Vatm = Vearth+atmosphere - Vearth
Vatm = (4/3)π(63863 - 63713) = 7.66899 x 109 km3 = 7.66899 x 1018 m3

368 ppm = 368 g/m3

Using mass obtained from #1, and finding concentration of the increase in CO2:
1.2 x 1016g/7.66899 x 1018 m3 = 0.001564743 g/m3

New concentration = 368 + 0.001564743
Percent change = (new-old)/old * 100 = 0.00042519%

So the answer is 0.42%, and it seems that the way to achieve this is to have the Vatm = 7.66899 x 1015 m3 rather than 7.66899 x 1018 m3. Is there an error in my volume calculation that I am not catching?
I didn't go through the entire calculation. But it says 368 ppm by volume, for which you've taken 368 g/m3. But 'g' is a unit of mass. Check that part.
 
siddharth23 said:
I didn't go through the entire calculation. But it says 368 ppm by volume, for which you've taken 368 g/m3. But 'g' is a unit of mass. Check that part.
I looked up ppm to g/m^3 and a website told me it was a 1:1 conversion. Can you please tell me what I'm supposed to convert ppm to? I'm familiar with the term.
 
henry3369 said:
I looked up ppm to g/m^3 and a website told me it was a 1:1 conversion. Can you please tell me what I'm supposed to convert ppm to? I'm familiar with the term.
Well I'd say that 368 ppm by volume will mean 368 m3 in 1000000 m3. Now that you know the volumes, use the density to find out the amount of CO2 by weight in air. (density = mass / volume)
 
siddharth23 said:
Well I'd say that 368 ppm by volume will mean 368 m3 in 1000000 m3. Now that you know the volumes, use the density to find out the amount of CO2 by weight in air. (density = mass / volume)
d = m/V = 44.0087/368 = 0.1196 g/m^3

new concentration = 0.1196 + 000156 = 0.12116

(new-old)/old * 100 = 1.3%

This is incorrect though. What am I doing incorrectly?
 
henry3369 said:
d = m/V = 44.0087/368 = 0.1196 g/m^3

Why do you assume 1 mole of carbon dioxide occupies 368 cubic meters? Just because there are 368 m3 per 1000000 m3? Would you assume volume of 0.368 m3 if you were told 386 ppm means 0.368 m3 in 1000 m3?
 

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