How Does Gaussian Elimination Solve This System of Equations?

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The discussion revolves around a system of three equations involving three variables: x, y, and z. The equations are x + y = 1, 2x + y - z = 1, and 3x + y - 2z = 1. Participants are exploring the application of Gaussian elimination to analyze the system and its solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the manipulation of equations through Gaussian elimination and question the independence of the equations. There is an exploration of the implications of the determinant of the coefficient matrix on the nature of the solutions, with some participants expressing uncertainty about specific notation used in the process.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of the solutions based on the geometry of the equations and the implications of the determinant being zero. Some participants are clarifying their understanding of the notation and the geometric interpretation of the system.

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There is mention of a preference for manipulating equations directly rather than using matrix representations, which may influence the approaches discussed. Participants are also considering the geometric interpretation of the equations as planes intersecting in a line.

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system of equations is as follows
x+y=1
2x+y-z=1
3x+y-2z=1
##\begin{cases} x+y=1 |*(-1)\\2x+y-z=1\\3x+y-2z=1 \end{cases}##

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Gaussian elimination method technique

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##\begin{cases} x+y=1 \\ x-z=0 |*(-2)\\ 2x-2z=0 \end{cases}##<=>

##\begin{cases} x+y=1 |*(-1)\\ x-z=0 \\ 0=0 \end{cases}##

<=>

##\begin{cases} x+y=1 \\ -y-z=-1 \\ x=z \end{cases}##

<=>
at this stage I think you are supposed to plug in x=z into some equation in the system
##\begin{cases} x+y=1 \\ -y-z=-1 \\ x=z \end{cases}##

##\begin{cases} x+y=1 <=> x=1-y \\ -y-z=-1 \\ x=z \end{cases}##

##-y-x=-1##
<=> x=-y+1

from those two equations it can be seen that those equations at least are identical equations for the same line.

So I think ultimately based on that geometry there should be infinite solutions (is that the correct way to do it and solve it?)
 
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Yes. Your equations are not independent, so instead of three you have only two equations and the solution has one degree of freedom.
 
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Hi @late347:

I confess I am unfamiliar with the notation "| * (-1)". However, there is a quick way to discover there there is a unique solution or an infinity of solutions. If you take the determinant of the matrix of coefficients, if the value of the determinant is zero, then there are an infinite number of solutions. If the value is not zero, then there is a unique solution. Here the matrix is:
1 1 0
2 1 -1
3 1 -2
and the value is zero, so there are an infinite number of solutions.

To find out the dimensional nature of this infinity requires some additional analysis.

Hope this is helpful.

Regards,
Buzz
 
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Buzz Bloom said:
Hi @late347:

I confess I am unfamiliar with the notation "| * (-1)". However, there is a quick way to discover there there is a unique solution or an infinity of solutions. If you take the determinant of the matrix of coefficients, if the value of the determinant is zero, then there are an infinite number of solutions. If the value is not zero, then there is a unique solution. Here the matrix is:
1 1 0
2 1 -1
3 1 -2
and the value is zero, so there are an infinite number of solutions.

To find out the dimensional nature of this infinity requires some additional analysis.

Hope this is helpful.

Regards,
Buzz
Our teacher only really taught us to manipulate the equations themselves instead of making the matrix such as you did.

I think my notation just means | * (-2) means that both sides of the equation were multiplied by (-2).

And the newly created equations in the further phases of the calculation were created by summing equations together
 
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Clear to me it was.
 
late347 said:
I think my notation just means | * (-2) means that both sides of the equation were multiplied by (-2).

Hi late:

Thanks for the explanation.

Regards,
Buzz
 
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late347 said:
x+y=1
2x+y-z=1
3x+y-2z=1

So I think ultimately based on that geometry there should be infinite solutions
The geometry here is that the three equations represent three planes that intersect in a line. Each point on this line is a solution to the system of equations. One point on this line is (0, 1, 0). It can be shown (and you probably haven't seen this yet) that every point on this line is of the form (x, y, z) = r(1, -1, 1) + (0, 1, 0), where r is any real number.
 
Mark44 said:
The geometry here is that the three equations represent three planes that intersect in a line. Each point on this line is a solution to the system of equations. One point on this line is (0, 1, 0). It can be shown (and you probably haven't seen this yet) that every point on this line is of the form (x, y, z) = r(1, -1, 1) + (0, 1, 0), where r is any real number.
That may very well be... I think the more simple case of two-variable system of equations was easy to justify to myself.
 
late347 said:
That may very well be... I think the more simple case of two-variable system of equations was easy to justify to myself.
Sure, that's fine. all I was trying to do was to look at the problem from a geometric perspective. Since you mentioned Gaussian elimination, it's likely that you will soon be doing these problems using matrices, and working with vectors. For me, it's helpful to consider the geometry of these problems, not just the algebraic manipulations.
 

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