How Does Mathematical Induction Prove This Series Sum Formula?

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The discussion revolves around the use of mathematical induction to prove a series sum formula involving products of consecutive integers. Participants explore the steps of the proof, including the base case and the inductive step, while addressing potential errors and clarifications needed in the reasoning process.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a formula for the sum of products of consecutive integers and attempts to prove it using induction.
  • Another participant questions the validity of a step in the proof, suggesting that the sequence of products was not properly accounted for.
  • A different participant suggests that expanding the right-hand side of the equation might be necessary to isolate terms for comparison.
  • Concerns are raised about the definition of 'R' in the context of the proof, with participants discussing the implications of isolating terms in the series.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the proof's progression and seeks alternative methods to avoid lengthy expansions.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the notation and suggests using different symbols to represent the proposition and the sum of terms in the series.
  • One participant claims to have proven the proposition but is challenged by another who points out an incorrect equation in their reasoning.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the need to express the left-hand side in terms of previously established sums to complete the proof.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the proof steps, with multiple competing views on how to proceed with the induction and whether certain steps are valid. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the final proof.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight missing assumptions and the need for careful tracking of terms in the series. There are unresolved mathematical steps that affect the clarity of the proof process.

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Proposition: 1*2*3+2*3*4+3*4*5+...+n(n+1)(n+2) = [n(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)]/4

Step (1): If n=1 then LHS (left hand side) = 6, and RHS = 6
Thus, P1 is true.

Step (2): If Pk is true then
k(k+1)(k+2) = [k(k+1)(k+2)(k+3)]/4

Now,
k(k+1)(k+2) + [k+1]([k+1]+1)([k+1]+2) = [k(k+1)(k+2)(k+3)]/4 + [k+1]([k+1]+1)([k+1]+2)

k(k+1)(k+2) +[k+1]([k+1]+1)([k+1]+2) = [k(k+1)(k+2)(k+3)]/4 + (k+1)(k+2)(k+3)

[k(k+1)(k+2)(k+3) + 4(k+1)(k+2)(k+3)]/4 ---> Common denominator - 4.

Then,
let k+1= A, k+2= B, k+3= C
k(A)(B)(C) + 4(A)(B)(C)/4
A(K+4)B(K+4)C(K+4)
Then,
(K+4)(ABC)
am i on the right track?
Then,
(k+4)(k+1)(k+2)(k+3)/4
Then? How do i prove that P(k+1) is true whenever Pk and P1 are true?!
 
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Are you sure about step 2?
 
hmmm...yeah i think so...is there anything wrong with step two, other than i shouldve put in the sequence before the general nth term formula?!
 
L²Cc said:
hmmm...yeah i think so...is there anything wrong with step two, other than i shouldve put in the sequence before the general nth term formula?!
It is the sequence of products before the general term that was missing. It is also missing in the next step. Maybe you have kept track of it somehow, but I don't see it.

My guess is that to finish you need to expand
[n(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)]/4
with n=k+1 to look like
[k(k+1)(k+2)(k+3)]/4 + R
The assumption of truth for Pk tells you that you can replace [k(k+1)(k+2)(k+3)]/4 with the sum up through the k term. Is R what you need it to be for the next term to satisfy equality?

I can't stay around to work it out, but that is what I would try.
 
Im confused...what's R in this equation?
i have added k+1 to the equation because I am proving here that the proposition is applicable for the K+1th term too...(if you see what i mean?)

Is there a better way out other than expanding? (that would take for ages...)
Anyhow, you might not be reading this msg today...
 
L²Cc said:
Im confused...what's R in this equation?
i have added k+1 to the equation because I am proving here that the proposition is applicable for the K+1th term too...(if you see what i mean?)

Is there a better way out other than expanding? (that would take for ages...)
Anyhow, you might not be reading this msg today...
R is whatever is left over after you have isolated the first product. I had to drive to the airport when I left earlier. On the way I did the needed expansion in my head. Once you see it, you can too. You only have to distribute one of the binomials in the product; the rest can stay as binomials. You were really close to it in your earlier post. Do what I outlined, replacing n with k+1, and it will almost jump out at you if you don't ignore the early terms in the series.
 
L²Cc said:
Proposition: 1*2*3+2*3*4+3*4*5+...+n(n+1)(n+2) = [n(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)]/4

Step (1): If n=1 then LHS (left hand side) = 6, and RHS = 6
Thus, P1 is true.

Step (2): If Pk is true then
k(k+1)(k+2) = [k(k+1)(k+2)(k+3)]/4

Now,
k(k+1)(k+2) + [k+1]([k+1]+1)([k+1]+2) = [k(k+1)(k+2)(k+3)]/4 + [k+1]([k+1]+1)([k+1]+2)

k(k+1)(k+2) +[k+1]([k+1]+1)([k+1]+2) = [k(k+1)(k+2)(k+3)]/4 + (k+1)(k+2)(k+3)

[k(k+1)(k+2)(k+3) + 4(k+1)(k+2)(k+3)]/4 ---> Common denominator - 4.

Then,
let k+1= A, k+2= B, k+3= C
k(A)(B)(C) + 4(A)(B)(C)/4
A(K+4)B(K+4)C(K+4)
Then,
(K+4)(ABC)
am i on the right track?
Then,
(k+4)(k+1)(k+2)(k+3)/4
Then? How do i prove that P(k+1) is true whenever Pk and P1 are true?!

isnt this java, if so use j creator
 
you know what i just realized...i did prove that Pn is true:
(k+4)(k+1)(k+2)(k+3)/4 = ([k+1])([k+1]+1)([k+1]+2)([k+1]+3)/1=4, where k+1=n!
yey:
 
L²Cc said:
(k+4)(k+1)(k+2)(k+3)/4 = ([k+1])([k+1]+1)([k+1]+2)([k+1]+3)/1=4
This is not true. You are, and have been close to a proof, but this incorrect equation is not going to do it for you.

You seem to have used Pn to refer to the propositon. I suggest you use Sn to refer to the sum of terms in the series. So the proposition Pn is that
Pn: Sn = [n(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)]/4 where Sn = 1*2*3+2*3*4+3*4*5+...+n(n+1)(n+2)

You have correctly shown that P1 is true by showing that
P1: S1 = 1*2*3 = [1*2*3*4]/4 = 6

You will assume that Pk is true
Pk: Sk = [k(k+1)(k+2)(k+3)]/4

What you need to show is that given P1 is true and Pk is assumed true then P(k+1) is also true

P(k+1): S(k+1) = [(k+1)(k+2)(k+3)(k+4)]/4

The proof is completed by verifying this equality. To do that you need to write the left hand side and right hand side in terms of things that you know (or can assume) are equal. You need to write S(k+1) in terms of Sk and other terms. Then you need to manipulate the right side to identify something that is equal to Sk. If you then subtract Sk and its equivalent from both sides of the equation you will be comparing two expressions. If they are indeed equal, then you have verified the equality. If they are unequal, then you have disproved the proposition.
 
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