How does subliminal messaging work?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanisms and effectiveness of subliminal messaging, particularly in media such as music and video. Participants explore various methods of embedding messages and the psychological principles that may underlie perceived effects, including concepts like priming.

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  • One participant inquires about how subliminal messages are embedded in music, questioning the effectiveness of such techniques.
  • Another shares personal experience with creating subliminal tapes by recording their voice at low volumes alongside normal music levels.
  • Several participants express skepticism about the effectiveness of subliminal messaging, suggesting that it may not work as commonly believed.
  • One participant introduces the concept of "priming," explaining how exposure to certain stimuli can influence responses without conscious awareness, citing examples from psychology.
  • Another participant agrees with the skepticism and discusses the potential for subtle environmental cues, such as color and sound, to influence behavior, though they question if this qualifies as subliminal messaging.
  • There is mention of ongoing research into priming effects, with some participants expressing doubt about the validity of claims regarding subliminal messaging.
  • A participant shares a link to additional information on subliminal messaging, suggesting alternative methods to influence behavior without relying on traditional subliminal techniques.

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Participants generally express skepticism about the effectiveness of subliminal messaging as it is commonly understood, with multiple competing views on the related concept of priming and its implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity and application of subliminal techniques.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference psychological studies and concepts, but there is no consensus on the effectiveness of subliminal messaging or the mechanisms by which it may operate. Limitations in understanding and definitions of subliminal messaging are acknowledged.

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Readers interested in psychology, media influence, and the mechanisms of behavior modification may find this discussion relevant.

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How does subliminal messaging work? I know in a video they would have one frame dedicated to it but you don't directly catch it. But how do they put stuff into music where you hear nothing? Like the music that is supposed to help someone stop smoking cigarettes.
 
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I had a friend who was big on making his own subliminal tapes. He recorded his own voice at low volumes while recording music at normal volumes.
 
Ok, I thought there was little bit more too it then that. Thanks.
 
zoobyshoe said:
There's a great deal of doubt that it works at all:

That was similar to my thought on this as well...the first question needs to be does it work, rather than how does it work.
 
zoobyshoe said:
There's a great deal of doubt that it works at all:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subliminal_message

My understanding from psych class is that it doesn't work in the way people usually think of.

However, there is something called "priming." If you see a word like "duck" and then are asked to read aloud a second word, you'll read "quack" faster than "bark". This is true even if the word "duck" is presented so quickly that you aren't aware of having seen it. You could even present the word "duck" aurally.

Some labs have lately been claiming evidence of more complex priming. For instance, if you spend some time thinking about your mother, you'll do better on a trivia came, supposedly because thinking about your mother makes you want to do well. A lot of this work has been done at Yale: http://www.yale.edu/psychology/FacInfo/Bargh.html.

There's a lot of evidence for it, so I supose it's true, but I still have trouble believing it. One of these days, I'll probably try to replicate some of those findings at my Web-based lab: http://coglanglab.org.

But as far as fitting in a message like "smoke less" into the background of a Mariah Carey song, I don't think there's evidence that it works.

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http://coglanglab.org
 
I'd have to agree with Ardalin. I believe there are also ways one can use subtle colour/light and sounds as just a basic stimulous that may provoke a certain general reaction in people. Fast Food restaurants supposedly use certain colour schemes that induce a desire to hurry up and leave though consciously we may only perceive the colours as cheerful and bright. I'm not sure if this would fall under subliminal messaging though.
 
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ardalin said:
My understanding from psych class is that it doesn't work in the way people usually think of.

However, there is something called "priming." If you see a word like "duck" and then are asked to read aloud a second word, you'll read "quack" faster than "bark". This is true even if the word "duck" is presented so quickly that you aren't aware of having seen it. You could even present the word "duck" aurally.

Some labs have lately been claiming evidence of more complex priming. For instance, if you spend some time thinking about your mother, you'll do better on a trivia came, supposedly because thinking about your mother makes you want to do well. A lot of this work has been done at Yale: http://www.yale.edu/psychology/FacInfo/Bargh.html.

There's a lot of evidence for it, so I supose it's true, but I still have trouble believing it. One of these days, I'll probably try to replicate some of those findings at my Web-based lab: http://coglanglab.org.

But as far as fitting in a message like "smoke less" into the background of a Mariah Carey song, I don't think there's evidence that it works.

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http://coglanglab.org

Yeah, I think priming is completely real and can be repeatedly demonstrated:

You ask "How do you pronounce F-O-L-K?"

People proceed to pronounce it.

Then you ask "What is the white part of an egg called?"

Most people say "Yolk!"


Doing this deliberately to someone constitutes manipulating them without their knowing it, which is what we fear about subliminal messaging, but the means is quite a bit different, so it's not what should be called "subliminal messaging".
 
some information on subliminal messaging

This topic got me to thinking about how to influence people's actions without Hollywood-style subliminal messaging. It turns out that it's pretty easy. Check out my post here:

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/subliminal-messaging-14083.html
 

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