How does tension affect wave speed in different mediums?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between tension and wave speed in different mediums, including strings, liquids, and gases. Participants explore concepts related to wave mechanics, particularly in the context of sound waves and their propagation in various materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about wave behavior in different mediums, particularly in relation to tension, density, and wave speed.
  • Another participant provides a formula for wave speed in a stretched string, indicating a relationship between tension and mass per unit length.
  • A question is raised about the appropriate units for mass per unit length, with a suggestion that standard SI units (kg/m) are preferable.
  • Discussion includes a formula for tension involving elastic modulus, strain, and area, with a participant seeking clarification on its application to waves in water.
  • One participant notes that sound wave speed in fluids and solids depends on the bulk modulus and density, referencing a resource for further information.
  • A later post questions how tension relates to the wave equation, indicating ongoing exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of relationships between tension, density, and wave speed, but there is no consensus on how these principles apply across different mediums, particularly between solids and fluids.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of formulas across different mediums and the specific parameters needed for calculations, indicating a need for further clarification on these topics.

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Students studying wave mechanics in physics, particularly those interested in the properties of waves in various mediums and the mathematical relationships involved.

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Hi all,
my high school physics class has been concerned with waves for some time now. Hoever, we've only considered waves/pulses in strings and cprings, solid mediums anyways. Our textbook has an advanced problem section that asks a bunch about waves in liquid and gaseous mediums--such as a dolphin using sonar in water, sending an echo, which will return. Or sound waves in air. I'm really confused how to approach these problems.

Another problem is guitar strings, when they give me the mass and or volume to solve for the wavelength, wavespeed, frequency, and time to reflect...

There has to be some relation between density, tension, and waves/pulses. Can anyone point me in the right direction.

*If anyone can suggest a practice problem and show me how to solve it (a rather hard one please) I'd much appreciate it. I really have no idea what's going on in physics anymore, all help will eb appreciated!
 
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ok, that's cool, but what is the *mass/unit of length* measured in? Kg/m, g/cm, does it matter what units I use?
 
The standard SI units would be kg/m. Since tension is invariably given in Newtons it would just complicate it unnecessarily to use any others. In my opinion.
 
oh yeah, I found something in my friend's college textbook, saying that:

F(t) = (delta L)/(initial L) * E * A

in other words, (tension) equals (Elastic modulus) times (strain) times (area).

I guess that's how I'd find the tension, but what of waves in water, they kinda confuse me. Like an echo, how long it takes to hit the wall and come back. My teacher said I needed to know the density of sea water and do something with that. Any ideas?
 
oh, OK thanks a bunch!
 
so, that's all been very helpful... but how does tension relate to the wave equation:
V = wavelength * frequency)
 

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