How does the delta function relate to the momentum operator in Dirac notation?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the delta function and the momentum operator within the framework of Dirac notation. Participants explore the implications of these concepts in quantum mechanics, particularly regarding position and momentum eigenstates, and the mathematical expressions that arise from them.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the appearance of the delta function in the expression = -i*hbar*DeltaFunction(x-x')*d/dx, questioning its derivation.
  • Another participant explains that delta functions serve as eigenfunctions of the position operator, emphasizing their role in the collapse of the wave function upon measurement.
  • A different participant proposes an approach involving a generic state |\psi\rangle and derives the momentum operator's action on position eigenstates, leading to a differential equation for .
  • One participant clarifies that the orthonormality condition for position eigenstates leads to = -i*hbar*∂/∂x δ(x-x'), noting the derivative acts on the delta function.
  • A participant raises a concern about the treatment of the momentum operator within Dirac notation, specifically regarding the manipulation of operators and inner products.
  • Another participant responds by clarifying that the momentum operator acts on kets, while the differential operator acts on wave functions, addressing the confusion about the notation.
  • One participant mentions the relationship = exp(+ipx) and its relevance in scattering and particle theory, suggesting that the discussion may not be as complex as perceived by some.
  • A participant suggests demonstrating the definition of the momentum operator satisfies the commutation relation between position and momentum operators to further clarify the Dirac notation framework.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the application of Dirac notation and the role of the delta function. There is no consensus on the clarity of these concepts, and multiple interpretations and approaches are presented.

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<x|p>, something my professor wanted to do in class today.
She then jumped from <x|p> to evaluating <x|p|p> (not sure why).
So now we have <x|pI|p> with the middle p and I being momentum and identity operators respectively.
This is Integral{<x|p|x'><x'|x>}dx'.
I buy all of this, but here's where I don't understand. She claims <x|p|x'>=-i*hbar*DeltaFunction(x-x')*d/dx and that doesn't make much sense to me, though that may be because I'm still pretty unfamiliar with Dirac notation. Where did the delta function pop out from?

Can anybody enlighten me? Thanks.
 
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The delta functions are the eigenfunctions of the position operator in the coordinate basis.

[tex]\hat{X} \phi =x_0 \phi[/tex] and in the coordinate basis [tex]\hat{X}=x_0[/tex]

i.e. if you measure a particles position, it's wave function collapses to a delta function peaked at that position. Such that [tex]\int_{x_0}^{x_0+dx} \delta(x-x_0) dx =1[/tex]
i.e. you will find the particle within x->x+dx with probability one.
 
Well it's not clear to me what the starting point is supposed to be. Here's how I would approach this. Suppose we have some generic state [itex]|\psi\rangle[/itex]. Let [itex]|x\rangle[/itex] be a position eigenstate: [itex]X|x\rangle = x|x\rangle[/itex], where [itex]X[/itex] is the position operator. Writing this in bra from, [itex]\langle x|X=x\langle x|[/itex], and taking the inner product with [itex]|\psi\rangle[/itex], we get

[tex]\langle x|X|\psi\rangle = x\langle x|\psi\rangle.[/tex]

Then we define the momentum operator [itex]P[/itex] via

[tex]\langle x|P|\psi\rangle = -i\hbar{\partial\over\partial x}\langle x|\psi\rangle.[/tex]

Now consider a momentum eigenstate [itex]|p\rangle[/itex]. Let [itex]|\psi\rangle[/itex] be [itex]|p\rangle[/itex] in the equation above. We get

[tex]\langle x|P|p\rangle = -i\hbar{\partial\over\partial x}\langle x|p\rangle.[/tex]

But we also have [itex]P|p\rangle=p|p\rangle[/itex], and taking the inner product with the bra [itex]\langle x|[/itex], we get

[tex]\langle x|P|p\rangle = p\langle x|p\rangle.[/tex]

These two right-hand sides must be equal, which gives us a differential equation for [itex]\langle x|p\rangle[/itex], which I leave it to you to solve.
 
Oh, I forgot to answer your question about the delta function. We have the orthonormality condition for position eigenstates,

[tex]\langle x|x'\rangle = \delta(x-x').[/tex]

Now use the general formula for [itex]\langle x|P|\psi\rangle[/itex] with [itex]|\psi\rangle[/itex] replaced by [itex]|x'\rangle[/itex] to get

[tex]\langle x|P|x'\rangle = -i\hbar{\partial\over\partial x}\delta(x-x').[/tex]

Note that the derivative acts on the delta-function, and should not be to the right of it, as you have written.
 
Thanks so much for your replies.
Most of that makes a lot of sense. I guess just this bit I take some issue with:

Avodyne said:
Then we define the momentum operator [itex]P[/itex] via

[tex]\langle x|P|\psi\rangle = -i\hbar{\partial\over\partial x}\langle x|\psi\rangle.[/tex]

I know that's the momentum operator, but I'm not sure how to deal with that within the Dirac notation framework. How is it that you can just sort of bring the derivative/operator out from between the bra-ket without operating on anything first, and turn the bra-ket into a regular inner product?
 
dod13 said:
How is it that you can just sort of bring the derivative/operator out from between the bra-ket without operating on anything first, and turn the bra-ket into a regular inner product?
He's not "bringing it out". It was never "in there". The P he's defining acts on kets. The differential operator on the right-hand side acts on wave functions.

You probably don't realize that what you're used to writing as [itex]\psi(x)[/itex] isn't [itex]|\psi\rangle[/itex], it's [itex]\langle x|\psi\rangle[/itex].
 
Note that P|p>= p|p>, where p is a c-number momentum eigenvalue.

Note also the <x|p> = exp(+ipx), apart from normalization constants. So,

<x|P|p> = p exp(+ipx)
, apart from constants.

It's not quite as complicated as some posters indicate. Also, this particular matrix element is often encountered in scattering and particle theory.
Regards,
Reilly Atkinson
 
Avodyne said:
[tex]\langle x|P|\psi\rangle = -i\hbar{\partial\over\partial x}\langle x|\psi\rangle.[/tex]
dod13 said:
I know that's the momentum operator, but I'm not sure how to deal with that within the Dirac notation framework. How is it that you can just sort of bring the derivative/operator out from between the bra-ket without operating on anything first, and turn the bra-ket into a regular inner product?

Try showing that the definition satisfies the commutation relation between X and P operators if <x|psi>=psi(x), or something along those lines.
 

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