How Does the Inequality 2*3^k >= 3 Arise in Mathematical Induction?

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The discussion revolves around the application of mathematical induction to prove inequalities, specifically focusing on the inequality 2*3^k >= 3 in the context of proving that 3^n + 2 >= 3n for all positive integers n. Participants explore the steps involved in the induction process and the necessity of certain inequalities within that framework.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how the inequality 2*3^k >= 3 is derived and its relevance to the inductive hypothesis in proving 3^n + 2 >= 3n.
  • Another participant suggests starting with a simpler inequality, 3n ≥ 3n, and outlines a method for proving the inductive step without necessarily using the additional inequality.
  • A later reply indicates that the additional inequality may not be necessary and questions the correctness of its inclusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of the inequality 2*3^k >= 3, with some suggesting it is not needed while others initially consider it important for the proof.

Contextual Notes

There is some ambiguity regarding the correct formulation of the inequalities involved, and the discussion does not resolve whether the additional inequality is essential for the proof.

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Hi,

I'm trying to learn mathematical induction for proving inequalities, but there is just one step I cannot get past: finding another inequality that is added to the inductive hypothesis.

For example, in this problem:

Prove for all positive integers (n >= 1), prove 3^n + 2 >= 3n.

I understand the basis step and in general how to do induction, but for some reason, the example says that that after I get the hypothesis, 3^k + 2 >= 3k (for some arbitrary k), it can generate the inequality 2*3^k >= 3 for all k >= 1. Where does this come from? I can follow how it adds this inequality to the hypothesis, but what is this, and how would I go about getting this?

This isn't just a generic problem by the way: I've looked at many examples, but I can't figure out what this is when dealing with inequalities and induction.
 
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For your example I would first show: 3n ≥ 3n which is easier.
You said you can do the basic step. So let's move on to the induction.

To do the induction we suppose n, then we prove if n is true, n+1 is true.
So first suppose: 3n ≥ 3n. Then our goal is to show: 3n+1≥3(n+1)

To do that I would prove the following:
3n ≥ 3n ⇒ 3+3n ≥ 3(n+1)
Then i would prove: 3n+1≥3+3n for n>1
Putting these together: 3n+1≥3+3n≥3(n+1) This step shows our goal!
Thus by the principle of induction: 3n ≥ 3n for Natural n

Then you know: 3n ≥ 3n ⇒3n + 2 ≥ 3n or 3n ≥ 3n ⇒3*3*3n =3n+2 ≥ 3n from the properties of inequalities. It's hard to tell which of these you were trying to prove how you wrote it.
 
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Thanks for the reply!

Sorry: I meant (3^n)+2

So is there no need for the extra inequality of 2*3^n >= 3? Or am I just missing something?
 
No need for the other inequality, which i think you typed incorrectly.
 

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