How does the mass ratio M_W/M_Z evolve with energy?

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The discussion centers on the evolution of the mass ratio M_W/M_Z of the W and Z bosons as energy increases, exploring theoretical implications within the framework of the standard model of particle physics. Participants consider the effects of renormalization schemes and the behavior of coupling constants at different energy scales.

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  • Some participants note that the masses of elementary particles are renormalized with increasing energy, questioning how the ratio M_W/M_Z changes under these conditions.
  • One participant explains that the running of parameters depends on the renormalization scheme used, mentioning that in an "on shell" scheme, the masses do not run.
  • Another participant suggests that at energies well above the W and Z masses, using modified minimal subtraction, the ratio M_W/M_Z can be defined in terms of coupling constants, indicating that M_W/M_Z decreases with energy due to the behavior of g_2 and g_1.
  • A later reply asks for a numerical estimate of the ratio at extremely high energies, such as 10^19 GeV, indicating interest in quantifying the decrease compared to low energy.
  • Another participant recommends looking up reviews on grand unification for plots of running couplings at high energies, emphasizing the need to consider the particle content above the electroweak scale.

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Participants express differing views on the behavior of the mass ratio M_W/M_Z with energy, with some suggesting it decreases while others emphasize the dependence on the chosen renormalization scheme. The discussion remains unresolved regarding specific numerical estimates and the implications of different theoretical frameworks.

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Limitations include the dependence on the choice of renormalization scheme and the assumptions about particle content above the electroweak scale, which are not fully addressed in the discussion.

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The masses of the elementary particles are renormalized somewhat, when the energy (the momentum) increases. Assuming that the standard model of particle physics is correct to all energies, is there any data on how the ratio M_W/M_Z between the two vector boson masses changes with energy? Does it increase or does it decrease? Or does the question make no sense at all?

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First of all, which (if any) parameters run depends on the choice of renormalization scheme. For processes involving direct observation of W and/or Z bosons, it's common to use an "on shell" scheme in which the particle masses do not run; see http://arxiv.org/abs/0709.1075 for a review. For processes at energies well above the W and Z masses, it's easier to use modified minimal subtraction, and define the W/Z mass ratio via [itex]M_W/M_Z \equiv g_2/(g_2^2+g_1^2)^{1/2}[/itex]. Then, since [itex]g_2[/itex] decreases with energy while [itex]g_1[/itex] increases, we see that [itex]M_W/M_Z[/itex] decreases with energy.
 
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First of all, which (if any) parameters run depends on the choice of renormalization scheme. For processes involving direct observation of W and/or Z bosons, it's common to use an "on shell" scheme in which the particle masses do not run; see http://arxiv.org/abs/0709.1075 for a review. For processes at energies well above the W and Z masses, it's easier to use modified minimal subtraction, and define the W/Z mass ratio via [itex]M_W/M_Z \equiv g_2/(g_2^2+g_1^2)^{1/2}[/itex]. Then, since [itex]g_2[/itex] decreases with energy while [itex]g_1[/itex] increases, we see that [itex]M_W/M_Z[/itex] decreases with energy.

Thank you for the clarification, which helps me a lot. Is there a number estimate possible, say for 10^19 GeV, about how much the ratio decreases compared to low energy?

Heinz
 
Look up reviews on grand unification; these often contains plots of the running couplings at high energies. Of course, one needs to assume the particle content above the electroweak scale (eg, just the Standard Model, or additional supersymmetric particles, or ...)
 

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