How does the N signify the indistinguishability in the Gibbs Paradox?

In summary, Gibbs introduced the concept of N! to explain the extensive nature of S, attributing it to the indistinguishability of particles. This means that N indistinguishable particles can only be distributed over N 'locations' in one way, while N distinguishable particles have N! ways of distribution. This is relevant in deriving the Entropy, where we divide by N!. It is worth noting that in quantum mechanics, particles are indistinguishable and any information lost in this process is only spurious and physically nonexistent.
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Gibbs introduced the N! to then make S extensive. He then attributed the N! to the particles being indistinguishable. How does the N! signify the indistinguishability?
 
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You can distribute N distinguishable particles over N 'locations' in N! ways.
You can distribute N indistinguishable particles over N 'locations' in one way only.
 
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Nice. Thanks. That makes sense since in deriving the Entropy, we divide by N!. A side question. Are we losing any information of the system by doing this? Of course in quantum mechanics particles are indistinguishable but it'd be interesting to know if any information is lost.
 
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Are we losing any information of the system by doing this? Of course in quantum mechanics particles are indistinguishable but it'd be interesting to know if any information is lost.
Lost is only spurious information that is physically nonexistent anyway.
 
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