How does the reappearance of Io during an eclipse relate to linear lighting?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the reappearance of Jupiter's moon Io during an eclipse and how this phenomenon relates to the concept of linear lighting. Participants explore the relationship between the area of illumination and the geometry of the moon's shadow, considering whether the lighting follows a linear pattern or not.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the illumination of Io should follow a linear relationship based on the area of a sector of a circle, questioning why others believe it does not.
  • Another participant argues that the illumination pattern resembles a half-sine wave, indicating that the brightness changes as the shadow moves across the moon.
  • A participant clarifies that the area of the illuminated part of the moon increases linearly with respect to the changing angle, referencing the formula for the area of a sector.
  • Another participant points out that the reappearance of the moon does not occur by increasing sector size but rather by the moon being illuminated in slices, likening it to slicing a tomato.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the geometry involved, indicating a shift in understanding towards the correct concept of segments rather than sectors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the relationship between the illumination and the geometry is linear. Some argue for a linear relationship based on sector area, while others propose a more complex pattern resembling a sine wave. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the relationship.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the lightcurve data, noting potential issues with its reliability due to the proximity of Io to Jupiter, which may affect the observed illumination pattern.

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Hey guys,

I've got a query. When one of Jupiter's satellites reappears from its shadow wouldn't the satellite light up linearly? I mean if you assume it is circular wouldn't the amount it's lit depend on the area of a sector of a circle?
And that would mean that since the area of a circle depends on the central angle it is a linear relationship.

The thing confusing me is that someone said it wasn't a linear relationship.
Why would that be? Is there something I'm not considering here?

This is something I observed a couple of nights ago and I thought I'd check the lightcurve using some freeware. The lightcurve doesn't show a linear relationship, but I don't think I can rely on that 'cause I think the lightcurve is a bit dodgy due to the proximity of Io and Jupiter.
 
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What you are saying there doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but it seems pretty obvious that a circle moving linearly out of a nearly linear shadow is going to brighten in essentially a half-sine wave pattern. Make yourself a demonstration if you are having trouble visualizing it, but as the shadow moves across the moon, you'll get larger and larger, then smaller and smaller slices of it, like slicing a tomato.
 
Sorry about the poor explanation.

What I was saying is that the area of the part of the moon that is lit up is increasing linearly. Since the area of a sector is given as [tex]A=\frac {\theta} {2} r^2[/tex] and since theta is the only changing variable I would have thought that area would increase linearly. Is this right?
 
A sector is a pie-shaped slice. When a moon reappears, it doesn't reappear by increasing sector size, it reappears by slices like a sliced tomato.
 
ahh yup I'm an idiot...

Thanks for clearing that for me.

I was looking at a sector when I was meant to be looking at the formula for a segment.
It's all sorted out now...Thanks!
 
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