How experimentally robust is Giant Dipole Resonance in 88Be?

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The discussion centers around the experimental robustness of the Giant Dipole Resonance (GDR) in 88Be, particularly in light of recent findings related to a proposed particle, the X17 anomaly. Participants explore the implications of these findings, the reproducibility of experiments, and the motivations behind conducting GDR experiments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a paper discussing the X17 anomaly observed in the decay of GDR in 88Be, noting specific angular correlation spectra and the derived mass of the hypothetical X17 particle.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism regarding the credibility of the findings, suggesting that the proposed particle seems to only exist in the authors' lab and questioning the validity of the experiments.
  • Some participants comment on the authorship of the paper, noting the return of Krasznahorkay fils to the author list and speculating on the dynamics of the authors' collaboration.
  • There is a call for clarification on the purpose and ease of conducting GDR experiments, with one participant expressing a desire to learn more about the experimental aspects of GDR.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit skepticism towards the findings related to the X17 particle, with some questioning the motivations behind the experiments. There is no consensus on the robustness of the experiments or the validity of the claims made in the referenced paper.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the reproducibility of the results and the overall purpose of GDR experiments, indicating a lack of clarity on the established methodologies and objectives in this area of research.

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experiments on Giant Dipole Resonance
I saw this paper,

Observation of the X17 anomaly in the decay of the Giant Dipole Resonance of 88Be​

[*]2308.06473
Angular correlation spectra of e+e−e+e− pairs produced in the 77Li(pp,γγ)88Be nuclear reaction were studied at a proton beam energy of EpEp~=~4.0~MeV, which corresponds to the excitation energy of the Giant Dipole Resonance (GDR) in 88Be. The spectra measured show a peak like anomaly at 120∘∘ and a broader anomaly also above 140∘∘. Both anomalies could consistently be described by assuming that the same hypothetical X17 particle was created both in the ground-state transition and in the transition going to the broad (ΓΓ=1.5~MeV), first excited state in 88Be. The invariant mass of the particle, which was derived to be mXc2 = 16.95±0.48mXc2 = 16.95±0.48(stat.) ~MeV, agrees well with our previously published values.

arXiv admin note: text overlap with arXiv:2209.10795
I would like to know how robust and how established is experiments involving on Giant Dipole Resonance

How easy would another research team to use on Giant Dipole Resonance reproduce these results
 
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Oh look, it's the same group of authors again. Weird how this proposed particle exclusively exists in their lab.

Shooting 4 MeV protons into lithium and looking for electron/positron pairs should be relatively simple, but I think it would be a waste of time unless there is a reason better than "debunking the most recent nonsense from Krasznahorkay et al".
 
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mfb said:
Oh look, it's the same group of authors again
Interestingly, Krasznahorkay fils is back on the author list. For a while it was only Krasznahorkay pere. I bet there's a story there.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Interestingly, Krasznahorkay fils is back on the author list. For a while it was only Krasznahorkay pere. I bet there's a story there.
Maybe Dad has decided he's getting old and wanted to spend some of his summer holiday going fishing, or traveling with his wife while he's still healthy enough, when he's already a full professor with tenure and getting close to emeritus status, and trusts his son to lighten his load a little so he can do that, while allowing them to bond over physics when they do work on the paper?

Those were the kinds of stories I saw and continue to see having lived all of my life in college towns until I finished my graduate degree, and then keeping in touch with my peers and their academic parents in the decades that followed.
 
mfb said:
Oh look, it's the same group of authors again. Weird how this proposed particle exclusively exists in their lab.

Shooting 4 MeV protons into lithium and looking for electron/positron pairs should be relatively simple, but I think it would be a waste of time unless there is a reason better than "debunking the most recent nonsense from Krasznahorkay et al".
claims of x17 aside, so what is the purpose of giant dipole experiments? are they easy to do? the actual purpose of the thread is I'd like to learn more about giant dipole experiments

 

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