How is energy/matter density distributed through the universe?

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The discussion revolves around the distribution of energy and matter density throughout the universe, specifically focusing on whether electromagnetic radiation and matter (including dark matter) are evenly distributed or if there are regions with significantly higher densities. The scope includes theoretical considerations and observational implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the distribution of electromagnetic radiation and matter is relatively even across the universe.
  • Others argue that the distribution is not uniform, highlighting the presence of galaxies and the voids between them, suggesting a scale-dependent distribution.
  • A participant describes a method of quantifying distribution by measuring mass within expanding spherical volumes, indicating that density can vary based on the scale of observation.
  • One participant asserts that, based on current measurements, the distribution is indeed even on large scales, specifically greater than 100 Mpc.
  • Another participant emphasizes that their earlier statement about even distribution was meant to reflect experimental findings rather than a definitive conclusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement among participants regarding the uniformity of matter and energy distribution. While some assert that it is evenly distributed, others highlight the complexities introduced by galaxies and voids, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about measurement capabilities and the scale of observation, which may affect interpretations of density distribution.

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If you were to take a panoramic view of the sky, would the amount of electromagnetic radiation and matter/dark matter be relatively evenly distributed? Or is their a section/ sections in the sky that appear to be significantly more densely populated?
 
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Rorkster2 said:
If you were to take a panoramic view of the sky, would the amount of electromagnetic radiation and matter/dark matter be relatively evenly distributed? Or is their a section/ sections in the sky that appear to be significantly more densely populated?

It would be evenly distributed.
 
Good question. It depends upon the scale. Obviously there are galaxies and then there are gaps between the galaxies so it is not evenly distributed.

One way scientists quantify this is by picking a random point in space and imagining there is a sphere centred on that point. Let's say this sphere has a radius of 1 (we'll come to units later). You then count how much mass there is inside the sphere. Then we increase the radius of the sphere to 2. The volume of a sphere goes like the radius cubed so when we go from one to two, we are increasing the volume of a sphere by a factor of

2 cubed = 2^3 = 2x2x2 = 8

so we then count how much mass there is in this bigger sphere. If it is 8 times what we measured when the radius was one then the matter is evenly distributed. In other words the density would be constant, remember

density = mass / volume

Now in real life if we imagine a sphere centred on the middle of the milky way with a radius of about 100 kpc (kpc=kilo-parsecs =1000 parsec. 1 parsec=3.2 light years) It will contain all the mass (visible and dark) of the milky way, let's say about 1 million million solar masses. If we then increase the size of our imaginary sphere to 200 kpc, the volume will increase to 8 times what it was previously. However, the total mass inside the new bigger sphere will not be 8 million million solar masses, but still 1 million million solar masses as we have already included all the milky way and there is nothing outside the milky way until you get to andromeda, which is further than 200 kpc away.

Likewise if you started in intergalactic space, far away from anything, you would have very close to zero mass inside your sphere, but as you increase the size of your sphere, you would start to include some galaxies, so your density would then shoot up.

Now galaxies are typically separated from each other by about 1 Mpc (Mpc= megaparsec= million parsec). So if your sphere is big enough, you shouldn't be sensitive to galaxies popping in and out of the count as you change the size of your counting sphere. In fact we find that this occurs at scales of about 100 Mpc. So if you look at a 100 Mpc sphere on the sky it will look roughly the same as another 100 Mpc sphere on the sky somewhere else.

So on large scales (> 100 Mpc) the Universe appears to be smooth or "homogeneous".
 
phinds said:
It would be evenly distributed.
I would be wiiling to assert it's not would be, it IS evenly distributed - to the best of our measurement ability.
 
Chronos said:
I would be wiiling to assert it's not would be, it IS evenly distributed - to the best of our measurement ability.

Yes, that's exactly what I thought I said. My sentence was short for "If you did that experiment, you would find that it would be evenly distributed", but thanks for the emphasis.
 

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