How is the Wave Function Derived in Quantum Mechanics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation of the wave function in quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to the Schrödinger equation. Participants explore various contexts in which the wave function is applied, including free particles and specific systems like the hydrogen atom.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the wave function is commonly represented as $$\Psi=\space e^{i(kx-\omega t)}$$ or $$\Psi=\space cos{(kx-\omega t)} \space - \space isin{(kx-\omega t)}$$.
  • Others point out that this representation is specific to free particles and that wave functions can vary significantly in different contexts.
  • One participant claims that the wave function derived from the Schrödinger equation is applicable to the electron in a hydrogen atom, while another challenges this assertion, suggesting a misunderstanding of the sources.
  • There is a suggestion that the wave function can be viewed as a solution to the equations of motion for a simple harmonic oscillator in classical mechanics.
  • Some participants argue that the Schrödinger equation is derived from the wave function, while others contend that the wave function is derived by solving the Schrödinger equation for specific systems.
  • One participant mentions that many introductory textbooks present the Schrödinger equation as a fundamental assumption rather than providing a derivation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the derivation of the wave function and its relationship to the Schrödinger equation. There is no consensus on the "real" logical starting point for non-relativistic quantum mechanics, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the wave function may differ based on the system being analyzed, and there are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions and definitions involved in its derivation.

Nipuna Weerasekara
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Everybody knows what is the Wave Function is.
$$\Psi=\space e^{i(kx-\omega t)}$$
or
$$\Psi=\space cos{(kx-\omega t)} \space - \space isin{(kx-\omega t)}$$

But can anyone tell me how it is derived. Since Schrödinger Equation is derived so easily using this Wave Function. I think it is necessary to understand how the Wave Function is derived.
 
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Nipuna Weerasekara said:
Everybody knows what is the Wave Function is.
$$\Psi=\space e^{i(kx-\omega t)}$$
or
$$\Psi=\space cos{(kx-\omega t)} \space - \space isin{(kx-\omega t)}$$
The wave function of what? You have just given the wave function for a free particle. In many other cases the wave function will be completely different and behave different wrt time.
 
This is the wave function I found when proving the Schrödinger equation. I think this is the wave function of the electron in Hydrogen atom.
 
Nipuna Weerasekara said:
I think this is the wave function of the electron in Hydrogen atom.

No, it's definitely not a wave function of electron in hydrogen. You need to read more carefully your sources.
 
Alright, let us think this is a Wave function of a particle for the time being, can you tell me how it is derived.
 
Nipuna Weerasekara said:
Alright, let us think this is a Wave function of a particle for the time being, can you tell me how it is derived.
Classically, it is the solution to the EOM of the simple harmonic oscillator.
 
Nipuna Weerasekara said:
Since Schrödinger Equation is derived so easily using this Wave Function.
It's the other way around. One derives the wave function for a particular system (e.g. a free particle) by solving Schrödinger's equation for that system.

Many introductory textbooks "justify" the Schrödinger equation or "motivate" it or "make it plausible" by assuming that a free particle with a definite momentum must be represented by a simple harmonic wave ##\Psi(x,t) = Ae^{i(kx - \omega t)}##, but fundamentally, the Schrödinger equation comes first. Many or most elementary treaments of QM simply present the SE as a fundamental assumption of the theory.

(I predict that we will now have a long debate about what is the "real" logical starting point for non-relativistic quantum mechanics. :-p)
 
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jtbell said:
Many introductory textbooks "justify" the Schrödinger equation or "motivate" it or "make it plausible" by assuming that a free particle with a definite momentum must be represented by a simple harmonic wave Ψ(x,t)=Aei(kx−ωt)
jtbell said:
(I predict that we will now have a long debate about what is the "real" logical starting point for non-relativistic quantum mechanics. :-p)

I think the best derivation is founded on Universty Physics With Modern Physics by Sears and Zemansky. I did not find any derivation even in more advanced textbooks on QM, because they usually apresents the wave function only as an postulate.
 

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